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    (Original post by Magnum Opus)
    Keep on topic please.
    Woah, what's with the over-moderation in this thread? Frankly, since I've been involved in it, it's hardly strayed away from subjects related to fascism.

    I know you two are new and keen to wave around your now much larger e-schlongs, but please do show a bit of common sense...
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    (Original post by ResidentNutter)
    I think this discussion has died now don't you?
    Between us it has, yeah.
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    The problem with all this talk of opposing "racism" and "fascism", is that those things aren't the only things opposed by these groups.

    Not only is "fascism" essentially dead as a political ideology but anyone who opposes immigration or multiculturism or who stands up for traditional morality, is branded a "fascist" or a "racist" and is not allowed to speak without being shouted down by groups like the UAF.

    I also think that the far-left needs to be opposed just as much as the far-right, perhaps even more considering what they have done.


    Why don't you two UAF sympathisers answer my comments and we can have a debate?

    Thanks.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    The problem with all this talk of opposing "racism" and "fascism", is that those things aren't the only things opposed by these groups.

    Not only is "fascism" essentially dead as a political ideology but anyone who opposes immigration or multiculturism or who stands up for traditional morality, is branded a "fascist" or a "racist" and is not allowed to speak without being shouted down by groups like the UAF.

    I also think that the far-left needs to be opposed just as much as the far-right, perhaps even more considering what they have done.


    Why don't you two UAF sympathisers answer my comments and we can have a debate?

    Thanks.
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    You don't count.
    I don't count for what?

    Explain, Marxist.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    The problem with all this talk of opposing "racism" and "fascism", is that those things aren't the only things opposed by these groups.

    Not only is "fascism" essentially dead as a political ideology but anyone who opposes immigration or multiculturism or who stands up for traditional morality, is branded a "fascist" or a "racist" and is not allowed to speak without being shouted down by groups like the UAF.

    I also think that the far-left needs to be opposed just as much as the far-right, perhaps even more considering what they have done.


    Why don't you two UAF sympathisers answer my comments and we can have a debate?

    Thanks.
    They're pretty uninteresting comments, to be fair...
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    (Original post by ResidentNutter)
    Nice to see you place such value on democracy.
    In all honesty, I place very little value on bourgeois democracy that places power into the hands of the middle classes and is precisely the reason that people feel alienated enough to vote for fascist parties...
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    They are completely correct. The anti-fascist action that you support has historically not only been used to attack fascists but anyone who doesn't agree with the radical leftist agenda.

    Would you not agree that the commies need to opposed as much as fascists, perhaps even more considering the extent of their crimes?
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    Explain, Marxist.
    If you actually want a response, you want to stop running around shouting "marxist!" at people as though it's an insult.

    I can't wait until you get into uni (if you get in) and get intellectually taken apart by some real Marxists, as undoubtedly some of your professors will be... Just a shame I won't be there.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    They are completely correct. The anti-fascist action that you support has historically not only been used to attack fascists but anyone who doesn't agree with the radical leftist agenda.
    No, it hasn't.

    Would you not agree that the commies need to opposed as much as fascists, perhaps even more considering the extent of their crimes?
    No.
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    (Original post by Alasdair)
    No, it hasn't.
    How ignorant are you? Of course it has. Just look at Pim Fortuyn.

    (Original post by Alasdair)
    No.
    The commies killied more than the fascists did and therefore must be at least equally opposed.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    The commies killied more than the fascists did and therefore must be at least equally opposed.
    How are you reaching that conclusion
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    I don't count for what?

    Explain, Marxist.
    As far as I'm aware the UAF target the BNP, NF and this new 'English Defence League', all of which are widely recognised as promoting fascist and/or racist agendas. Now, the BNP have made some effort to hide their white nationalism behind a thin veneer using 'immigration' as their buzzword of choice. It has also proven convenient for the right more generally to focus in on the BNP's putative commitment to socialism and thus label them as a party of the left. If you don't recognise the BNP as having fascist and Nazi leanings then there's no debate to be had between you and me, because we simply see the world too differently.

    And you don't count because you don't really know how to debate.
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    (Original post by Magnum Opus)
    How are you reaching that conclusion
    Communist Body Count

    This doesn't even include abortions or the war dead.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    How ignorant are you? Of course it has. Just look at Pim Fortuyn.
    Pim Fortuyn isn't really relevant to our current discussion...


    The commies killied more than the fascists did and therefore must be at least equally opposed.
    Right. And capitalism has killed more than both of them put together, so I trust you'll be opposing that with me?

    What's more, I don't see any CPGB or SWP members firebombing mosques or attacking Asian families in the street...
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    As far as I'm aware the UAF target the BNP, NF and this new 'English Defence League', all of which are widely recognised as promoting fascist and/or racist agendas. Now, the BNP have made some effort to hide their white nationalism behind a thin veneer using 'immigration' as their buzzword of choice. It has also proven convenient for the right more generally to focus in on the BNP's putative commitment to socialism and thus label them as a party of the left. If you don't recognise the BNP as having fascist and Nazi leanings then there's no debate to be had between you and me, because we simply see the world too differently.

    And you don't count because you don't really know how to debate.
    I never said that the BNP didn't have such leanings.

    What I was saying is that the UAF have also gone after anyone who speaks out against immigration or multiculturalism as well.

    I don't know how to debate! This is coming from a Marxist!
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    Communist Body Count
    I'm not even going to go into how fallacious the idea that all those people were dead because of 'Communism' is.

    This doesn't even include abortions or the war dead.
    What percentage of abortions are the fault of 'communists'?
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    I never said that the BNP didn't have such leanings.

    What I was saying is that the UAF have also gone after anyone who speaks out against immigration or multiculturalism as well.

    I don't know how to debate! This is coming from a Marxist!
    Ok, who have UAF 'gone after' for speaking out against immigration or multiculturalism? Please don't say the BNP because when they speak out against these things they are simply using them as a cover for their neo-Nazi agenda.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    I never said that the BNP didn't have such leanings.

    What I was saying is that the UAF have also gone after anyone who speaks out against immigration or multiculturalism as well.
    Oh no. They're telling racists and xenophobes where to stick it as well? Gosh, I'm not going to have anything to do with THEM any more!

    I don't know how to debate! This is coming from a Marxist!
    Can any marxists debate?
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    (Original post by Alasdair)
    What's more, I don't see any CPGB or SWP members firebombing mosques or attacking Asian families in the street...
    Not a smart idea to bring up the SWP, they appease more fascists than anyone else on the so called "left".

    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    Communist Body Count

    This doesn't even include abortions or the war dead.
    Your link is fail and shows you to have zero understanding of Marxist theory :facepalm2:
 
 
 
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