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    It's question begging to include God in morality anyway, because if one defines morality as being what God approves of, then defines God as good according to this criteria, it is essentially a tautology.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    What does God have to do with freedom?
    Some worship liberty as a God. Idolatry essentially.
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    (Original post by Richard_A_Garner)
    Here is Vernon Smith's fiftieth anniversary tribute to Mises' Human Action. In fact, googling "Vernon Smith Austrian" gets quite a few references to him as an Austrian economist, or sympathiser.
    googling nick griffin also gets lots of results containing 'not a racist'
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    googling nick griffin also gets lots of results containing 'not a racist'
    That's cos he is not! He just doesn't like Jews and Muslims.:holmes:
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    Some worship liberty as a God. Idolatry essentially.
    To idolise freedom, as with anything else, will just end up in a hideous short-sighted mess. But freedom is still paramount though. Without it, we'd have little choice in what we do and how others affect us.

    I think, at the root of most core philosophies, is some form of begging the question. Just a self-evident opinion which is put on a pedestal. With libertarianism it's 'freedom is the highest state of being', with socialism it's 'equality is the highest state of being'. Neither are particularly refutable until you start to wander into situations and clutch this philosophy, being totally blind to other factors.

    Why yes, Ms Rand, we're talking to you.
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    (Original post by aisebon)
    To idolise freedom, as with anything else, will just end up in a hideous short-sighted mess. But freedom is still paramount though. Without it, we'd have little choice in what we do and how others affect us.

    I think, at the root of most core philosophies, is some form of begging the question. Just a self-evident opinion which is put on a pedestal. With libertarianism it's 'freedom is the highest state of being', with socialism it's 'equality is the highest state of being'. Neither are particularly refutable until you start to wander into situations and clutch this philosophy, being totally blind to other factors.

    Why yes, Ms Rand, we're talking to you.
    I don't think Ayn Rand ever said that 'freedom is the highest state of being' or highest value or anything like that at all.
 
 
 
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