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    Europe will fall to Islam in about 50 years purely through breeding and mass immigration. The old europe of churches, freedom of speech, human rights will be long on.
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    (Original post by neil44)
    I have an A level in geography thank you very much.
    As for my "fail", you haven't proven anything substantial. I can go and pluck a graph out of the air showing exactly the opposite trend, dont make me sunshine.
    LOL A level in geography, pardon me. That makes it worse.

    Go on; find me that graph that shows all the ethnicities in a country having the same births rate!
    You'll have to pluck one out of the air, cos it doesnt exist... :no:
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    (Original post by AirRaven)
    ...Like, say, Saudi Arabia or Yemen?
    You admit then that the western media is hypocritical, perhaps owing to its homosexual and hypocritical nature?

    As their supporters are so fond of harping on about.

    The key thing is, though, that they don't now.
    The key thing is, though, you need to learn about the reality now.

    In general, muslim countries don't allow women to be used objects of pleasure, to be plundered and used by all and sundry, unlike nonmuslims like let's say westerners, who don't even know their fathers as they are born out of wedlock, or often times have had intercourse with horses, other strange beasts and inanimate objects like dildos, not to mention have had plenty of 'flings' with illegitimate partners and intercourse with so many strangers they don't keep track of it all.

    Just an example of how enlightened and civilized the islamic world always has been as compared to some other nonmuslim regions.

    Ah- but you're misunderstanding the concept of free choice. We, unlike certain cultures, don't stone women to death for choosing to do as they please.
    You mean, you institute other punishments?

    Or you mean, only women are free to do as they choose, in western countries?

    Or you mean, everybody is free to do as they choose in western countries?

    You should know that nobody is free to do as they choose anywhere on earth, never in the past, not today. It can only lead to chaos and barbarity, granted that's what much of western customs and traditions seem to the civilized world.

    Somebody's been watching too much pornography.
    Well it's true the western world is deviant enough to produce most of that too.

    I'm not arguing for identical roles, per se- merely absolute equality in law.
    If you are equal under law, it can only be when you are identical in every aspect.

    Do you also support, for instance, equality of law for a baby only two months old, and an adult twenty five years old?

    If not, why is that?

    If the said groups are not identical, it's only fair they are not treated as such.

    Until such a point is reached in Saudi Arabia, for example (Permitted to drive on roads, wear what they wish, go outside unaccompanied without permission, fraternise with who they wish, etc), you're full of *****, I'm afraid.
    Thankfully most of the civilized world throughout history and today doesn't allow people to wear whatever they wish. There is the concept of morality, decency, decorum, propriety and of what not to do, of inappropriateness, promiscuity, lecherous behaviour and so on.

    The western world is so debauched they have no clue about any of these distinctions, understandably so as they have grown up not knowing their fathers and seeing their mothers, aunts and other female relatives getting penetrated from all sides by all and sundry, in public places, as part of "daily rituals".

    Nor will you see that happen with the overwhelming majority of women in Western Nations.
    It's only westerners that strongly, loudly advocate for such promiscuity and lecherous behaviour, they loudly claim such debauchery should be allowed, it's only westerners that are seen committing such backward acts.

    Christ- can you even see the people who walk around you in our cities? It sounds very much like you're intentionally twisting things into what you want to see.
    No thanks. I'm not located in a western country at the moment.


    Likewise, ethics and equality are rather lacking in the Islamic world. Thus, I feel rather justified in suggesting that you go and **** yourself.
    Did you just make it up?

    Thus far, your points have rested upon the foundation of "The West is deparaved because I am pulling facts out of my arse so **** you". But, I'd expect nothing less from a Muslim arguing the cultural superiority of the Islamic world. Something about the Koran appears to strip you of the ability to do anything more than parrot sanctimoniously.
    The West is indeed depraved, but unlike the debauched western world with a penchant for the backside and for pulling facts out of there (through some mysterious process that disgusts me and eludes me), I have a penchant for arguing using facts and logic, to the best of my ability.

    Also to state there is one culture in the whole Islamic world is a bit misleading as people from all cultures, nationalities, ages, genders, and so on can be Muslim (and often Muslims are from all these various groups listed).
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    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    You admit then that the western media is hypocritical, perhaps owing to its homosexual and hypocritical nature?
    No, I stated that Saudi Arabia and Yemen conform to the purported image put forward by the Western Media, from absolutely everything I've been able to find concerning their state of affairs.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    The key thing is, though, you need to learn about the reality now.
    Good god- this enrages me.
    I'll make this a point by point rebuttal:

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    In general, muslim countries don't allow women to be used objects of pleasure,
    Nor does the West. The onus is on the men to simply not act like dicks.

    I'd point to the latest example of dickery from Afghanistan's Government as a counter-example, but going by your recent posts, I'd assume that "In General" is your get-out clause.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    ...to be plundered and used by all and sundry,
    Again- nor does the West.

    Western women are free to do whatever they please- regardless of whatever self-righteous religious sensibilities they might offend.

    We, unlike Muslim nations, don't attempt to prevent women exercising their right to self-determination by locking them away, segregated from the opposite gender. They're free, individual citizens in their own right- it's not even an issue.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    unlike nonmuslims like let's say westerners, who don't even know their fathers as they are born out of wedlock,
    ...Which isn't really an issue, I'd argue, unless you're particularly hung up on that sort of thing.

    Granted, illegitimate children happen in the West. So what? There are umpteen kids who grow up knowing their parents for each child that doesn't.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    or often times have had intercourse with horses,
    Lay off the Pornography, have a glance at reality.


    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    other strange beasts
    ...Like free, unimprisoned women?

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    and inanimate objects like dildos,
    OH THE HUMANITY!

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    not to mention have had plenty of 'flings' with illegitimate partners and intercourse with so many strangers they don't keep track of it all.
    ...And, again- this is an issue why, exactly?

    It's a question of free will- whether or not you consider such actions to be acceptable.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    Just an example of how enlightened and civilized the islamic world always has been as compared to some other nonmuslim regions.
    You've left me with no impression beyond that of your inestimable tooldom.

    Have you even lived in the West? If so, do you socialise outside a Muslim social group often? You've got a rather warped impression of the West.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    You mean, you institute other punishments?
    No, I don't mean institute different ******* punishments- it was an enquiry into exactly why the concept of restricting the freedom of an entire gender exists- which you have, once again, sidestepped with all the finesse of an atomic bomb.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    Or you mean, only women are free to do as they choose, in western countries?

    Or you mean, everybody is free to do as they choose in western countries?
    The latter.

    But that's not going to faze you, thus, continuing...

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    You should know that nobody is free to do as they choose anywhere on earth, never in the past, not today. It can only lead to chaos and barbarity, granted that's what much of western customs and traditions seem to the civilized world.
    ********.

    Granted, there are still restraints upon people in Western society, but they've resulted in a functioning, far freer society than the Islamic world has ever produced.

    Claims of cultural imperialism be damned- your so-called "civilised world" is wrong.


    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    Well it's true the western world is deviant enough to produce most of that too.
    ...And, once again, I'd argue that there's absolutely nothing ethically wrong with Pornography in itself.

    So long as the people involved consent, and the viewers don't let it go to their heads, it's harmless. Perhaps a tad demeaning, but, once again- Western Society comes with the freedom not to look at it.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    If you are equal under law, it can only be when you are identical in every aspect.
    *every aspect that matters in matters pertaining to the law, that is practical, and adheres to the principles of human rights.


    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    Do you also support, for instance, equality of law for a baby only two months old, and an adult twenty five years old?
    Yes. Unequivocally, in every situation where it's practicable to do so.

    Where the child's incapable of making a decision for itself, it should be made in trust for the child by its guardians until such a point at which the child is capable of making said decisions for itself- an analogy that falls flat on its face in the case of women, since they are, for all concievable intents and purposes, particularly those beyond the narrow purview of your bigoted mind, equal.


    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    Thankfully most of the civilized world throughout history and today doesn't allow people to wear whatever they wish. There is the concept of morality, decency, decorum, propriety and of what not to do, of inappropriateness, promiscuity, lecherous behaviour and so on.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    The western world is so debauched they have no clue about any of these distinctions, understandably so as they have grown up not knowing their fathers and seeing their mothers, aunts and other female relatives getting penetrated from all sides by all and sundry, in public places, as part of "daily rituals".
    Whoa - burn.

    You've quite clearly shown that you've got precisely zero knowledge of Western Culture, thus I feel rather justified in laughing in your face at that.

    Would it be rather forward of me to hope that you get anally penetrated by several camels at some point in the near future? An elephant would be a nice touch.


    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    It's only westerners that strongly, loudly advocate for such promiscuity and lecherous behaviour, they loudly claim such debauchery should be allowed, it's only westerners that are seen committing such backward acts.
    Utter ********.

    Human beings are the same the world over. The West does have standards- you've simply missed them by being unable to think beyond your erection.

    Grow some ******* self-restraint.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    No thanks. I'm not located in a western country at the moment.
    I'd suggest getting some evidence for your claims before flinging the proverbial faeces.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    Did you just make it up?
    After a post like that, you have the gall to make a comment like this? I'm almost in stitches right now, you comedic genius.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    The West is indeed depraved, but unlike the debauched western world with a penchant for the backside and for pulling facts out of there (through some mysterious process that disgusts me and eludes me), I have a penchant for arguing using facts and logic, to the best of my ability.
    As a Westerner, once again, I must say, you're full of ****. Group rape of Western Women in public places? Rampant beastiality? A complete lack of decorum?
    You argue like a parrot. I'll give your arguments credence when they're anchored to either reality or some form of morality more objective than the rubbish you're spluttering.

    ...And I don't think I've ever enjoyed responding to a troll more.
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    Can you two not make your posts so strung out.
    Dont get me wrong, I enjoy reading them (especially as you are getting so angry) but it is hard when they are so massive. if you could summarise your disdain for each other and a few central arguments and put the rest in a spoiler maybe? :p:
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    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    I think you misread my post.

    I didn't talk about immorality widespread in the western world due to adoption of homosexuality, incest, paedophilia, licentiousness, and other amorous actions that leads to children not knowing who their fathers are as their mothers have had flings with plenty of strangers, often times including animals/beasts like horses and donkeys.

    You need to read the post again to see what I talked about.
    lololol
    Ironic! Ironic! Ironic!

    Islamic gayness: http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._in_saudi.html

    Islamic incest:
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3342040.ece

    Islamic pedophilia:
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...ide/index.html



    The Islamic World is ahead of all others in all of them, hahhahaha!
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    (Original post by AirRaven)
    No, I stated that Saudi Arabia and Yemen conform to the purported image put forward by the Western Media, from absolutely everything I've been able to find concerning their state of affairs.


    Good god- this enrages me.
    I'll make this a point by point rebuttal:


    Nor does the West. The onus is on the men to simply not act like dicks.

    I'd point to the latest example of dickery from Afghanistan's Government as a counter-example, but going by your recent posts, I'd assume that "In General" is your get-out clause.


    Again- nor does the West.

    Western women are free to do whatever they please- regardless of whatever self-righteous religious sensibilities they might offend.

    We, unlike Muslim nations, don't attempt to prevent women exercising their right to self-determination by locking them away, segregated from the opposite gender. They're free, individual citizens in their own right- it's not even an issue.


    ...Which isn't really an issue, I'd argue, unless you're particularly hung up on that sort of thing.

    Granted, illegitimate children happen in the West. So what? There are umpteen kids who grow up knowing their parents for each child that doesn't.


    Lay off the Pornography, have a glance at reality.



    ...Like free, unimprisoned women?


    OH THE HUMANITY!


    ...And, again- this is an issue why, exactly?

    It's a question of free will- whether or not you consider such actions to be acceptable.


    You've left me with no impression beyond that of your inestimable tooldom.

    Have you even lived in the West? If so, do you socialise outside a Muslim social group often? You've got a rather warped impression of the West.


    No, I don't mean institute different ******* punishments- it was an enquiry into exactly why the concept of restricting the freedom of an entire gender exists- which you have, once again, sidestepped with all the finesse of an atomic bomb.


    The latter.

    But that's not going to faze you, thus, continuing...


    ********.

    Granted, there are still restraints upon people in Western society, but they've resulted in a functioning, far freer society than the Islamic world has ever produced.

    Claims of cultural imperialism be damned- your so-called "civilised world" is wrong.



    ...And, once again, I'd argue that there's absolutely nothing ethically wrong with Pornography in itself.

    So long as the people involved consent, and the viewers don't let it go to their heads, it's harmless. Perhaps a tad demeaning, but, once again- Western Society comes with the freedom not to look at it.


    *every aspect that matters in matters pertaining to the law, that is practical, and adheres to the principles of human rights.



    Yes. Unequivocally, in every situation where it's practicable to do so.

    Where the child's incapable of making a decision for itself, it should be made in trust for the child by its guardians until such a point at which the child is capable of making said decisions for itself- an analogy that falls flat on its face in the case of women, since they are, for all concievable intents and purposes, particularly those beyond the narrow purview of your bigoted mind, equal.






    Whoa - burn.

    You've quite clearly shown that you've got precisely zero knowledge of Western Culture, thus I feel rather justified in laughing in your face at that.

    Would it be rather forward of me to hope that you get anally penetrated by several camels at some point in the near future? An elephant would be a nice touch.



    Utter ********.

    Human beings are the same the world over. The West does have standards- you've simply missed them by being unable to think beyond your erection.

    Grow some ******* self-restraint.


    I'd suggest getting some evidence for your claims before flinging the proverbial faeces.


    After a post like that, you have the gall to make a comment like this? I'm almost in stitches right now, you comedic genius.



    As a Westerner, once again, I must say, you're full of ****. Group rape of Western Women in public places? Rampant beastiality? A complete lack of decorum?
    You argue like a parrot. I'll give your arguments credence when they're anchored to either reality or some form of morality more objective than the rubbish you're spluttering.

    ...And I don't think I've ever enjoyed responding to a troll more.
    My favourite part was "inestimable tooldom". :cute:
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    I just love how his entire argument is based on the fact that western women have sex with "horses and vile beasts".
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    (Original post by smalltownboy)
    I just love how his entire argument is based on the fact that western women have sex with "horses and vile beasts".
    Last time I checked, bestiality was most definitely not a normal everyday thing.
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    How ignorant and sad can people get. Does it actually matter who is reproducing more, aren't we all the same organism and race. Who gives a **** about colour!!!
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    ...Aaaaand there go my first ever warning points! \o/
    'Twas for a good cause, I suppose.
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    I think all the scaremongers in this thread should have a read of this instead of all that bible-bellt propoganda.:

    (Original post by The Wilson Quarterly)
    The World's New Numbers
    by Martin Walker

    “Here lies Europe, overwhelmed by Muslim immigrants and emptied of native-born Europeans.” That is the obituary some pundits have been writing in recent years. But neither the immigrants nor the Europeans are playing their assigned roles.

    Listen as Martin Walker discusses demographic change on dialogue.

    Something dramatic has happened to the world’s birthrates. Defying predictions of demographic decline, northern Europeans have started having more babies. Britain and France are now projecting steady population growth through the middle of the century. In North America, the trends are similar. In 2050, according to United Nations projections, it is possible that nearly as many babies will be born in the United States as in China. Indeed, the population of the world’s current demographic colossus will be shrinking. And China is but one particularly sharp example of a widespread fall in birthrates that is occurring across most of the developing world, including much of Asia, Latin America, and the Middle East. The one glaring exception to this trend is sub-Saharan Africa, which by the end of this century may be home to *one-*third of the human *race.

    The human habit is simply to project current trends into the future. Demographic realities are seldom kind to the predictions that result. The decision to have a child depends on innumerable personal considerations and larger, unaccountable societal factors that are in constant flux. Yet even knowing this, demographers themselves are often flummoxed. Projections of birthrates and population totals are often embarrassingly at odds with eventual reality.

    In 1998, the UN’s “best guess” for 2050 was that there would be 8.9 billion humans on the planet. Two years later, the figure was revised to 9.3 *billion—*in effect, adding two Brazils to the world. The number subsequently fell and rose again. Modest changes in birthrates can have bigger consequences over a couple of generations: The recent rise in U.S. and European birthrates is among the developments factored into the UN’s latest “middle” projection that world population in 2050 will be just over 9.1 billion.

    In a society in which an average woman bears 2.1 children in her lifetime—what’s called “replacement-level” *fertility—*the population remains stable. When demographers make tiny adjustments to estimates of future fertility rates, population projections can fluctuate wildly. Plausible scenarios for the next 40 years show world population shrinking to eight billion or growing to 10.5 billion. A recent UN projection rather daringly assumes a decline of the global fertility rate to 2.02 by 2050, and eventually to 1.85, with total world population starting to decrease by the end of this *century.

    Despite their many uncertainties, demographic projections have become an essential tool. Governments, international agencies, and private corporations depend on them in planning strategy and making *long-*term investments. They seek to estimate such things as the number of pensioners, the cost of health care, and the size of the labor force many years into the future. But the detailed statistical work of demographers tends to seep out to the general public in crude form, and sensationalist headlines soon become common *wisdom.

    Because of this *******ization of knowledge, three deeply misleading assumptions about demographic trends have become lodged in the public mind. The first is that mass migration into Europe, legal and illegal, combined with an eroding native population base, is transforming the ethnic, cultural, and religious identity of the continent. The second assumption, which is related to the first, is that Europe’s native population is in steady and serious decline from a falling birthrate, and that the aging population will place intolerable demands on governments to maintain public pension and health systems. The third is that population growth in the developing world will continue at a high rate. Allowing for the uncertainty of all population projections, the most recent data indicate that all of these assumptions are highly questionable and that they are not a reliable basis for serious policy *decisions.

    In 2007, The Times of London reported that in the previous year Muhammad had edged out Thomas as the second most popular name for newborn boys in Britain, trailing only Jack. This development had been masked in the official statistics because the name’s many *variants—*such as Mohammed, Mahmoud, and *Muhamed—*had all been counted separately. The Times compiled all the variants and established that 5,991 Muhammads of one spelling or another were born in 2006, trailing 6,928 Jacks, but ahead of 5,921 Thomases, 5,808 Joshuas, and 5,208 Olivers. The Times went on to predict that Muhammad would soon take the top *spot.

    On the face of it, this seemed to bear out the *thesis—*something of a rallying cry among anti-immigration *activists—*that high birthrates among immigrant Muslims presage a fundamental shift in British demography. Similar developments in other European countries, where birthrates among *native-*born women have long fallen below replacement level, have provoked considerable anxiety about the future of Europe’s traditionally Christian culture. Princeton professor emeritus Bernard Lewis, a leading authority on Islamic history, suggested in 2004 that the combination of low European birthrates and increasing Muslim immigration means that by this century’s end, Europe will be “part of the Arabic west, of the Maghreb.” If *non-*Muslims then flee Europe, as Middle East specialist Daniel Pipes predicted in The New York Sun, “grand cathedrals will appear as vestiges of a prior *civilization—*at least until a *Saudi-*style regime transforms them into mosques or a *Taliban-*like regime blows them up.”


    The reality, however, looks rather different from such dire scenarios. Upon closer inspection, it turns out that while Muhammad topped Thomas in 2006, it was something of a Pyrrhic victory: Fewer than two percent of Britain’s male babies bore the prophet’s name. One fact that gets lost among distractions such as the Times story is that the birthrates of Muslim women in Europe—and around the world—have been falling significantly for some time. Data on birthrates among different religious groups in Europe are scarce, but they point in a clear direction. Between 1990 and 2005, for example, the fertility rate in the Netherlands for Moroccan-born women fell from 4.9 to 2.9, and for *Turkish-*born women from 3.2 to 1.9. In 1970, *Turkish-*born women in Germany had on average two children more than *German-*born women. By 1996, the difference had fallen to one child, and it has now dropped to half that number.

    These sharp reductions in fertility among Muslim immigrants reflect important cultural shifts, which include universal female education, rising living standards, the inculcation of local mores, and widespread availability of contraception. Broadly speaking, birthrates among immigrants tend to rise or fall to the local statistical norm within two *generations.

    The decline of Muslim birthrates is a global phenomenon. Most analysts have focused on the remarkably high proportion of people under age 25 in the Arab countries, which has inspired some crude forecasts about what this implies for the future. Yet recent UN data suggest that Arab birthrates are falling fast, and that the number of births among women under the age of 20 is dropping even more sharply. Only two Arab countries still have high fertility rates: Yemen and the Palestinian *territories.

    In some Muslim *countries—*Tunisia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, and Lebanon—fertility rates have already fallen to *near-*European levels. Algeria and Morocco, each with a fertility rate of 2.4, are both dropping fast toward such levels. Turkey is experiencing a similar trend.

    Revisions made in the 2008 version of the UN’s World Population Prospects Report make it clear that this decline is not simply a Middle Eastern phenomenon. The report suggests that in Indonesia, the country with the world’s largest Muslim population, the fertility rate for the years 2010–15 will drop to 2.02, a shade below replacement level. The same UN assessment sees declines in Bangladesh (to 2.2) and Malaysia (2.35) in the same period. By 2050, even Pakistan is expected to reach a replacement-level *fertility rate.

    Iran is experiencing what may be one of the most dramatic demographic shifts in human history. Thirty years ago, after the shah had been driven into exile and the Islamic Republic was being established, the fertility rate was 6.5. By the turn of the century, it had dropped to 2.2. Today, at 1.7, it has collapsed to European levels. The implications are profound for the politics and power games of the Middle East and the Persian Gulf, putting into doubt Iran’s dreams of being the regional superpower and altering the tense dynamics between the Sunni and Shiite wings of Islam. Equally important are the implications for the economic future of Iran, which by *mid*century may have consumed all of its oil and will confront the challenge of organizing a society with few people of working age and many *pensioners.

    The falling fertility rates in large segments of the Islamic world have been matched by another significant shift: Across northern and western Europe, women have suddenly started having more babies. Germany’s minister for the family, Ursula von der Leyen, announced in February that the country had recorded its second straight year of increased births. Sweden’s fertility rate jumped eight percent in 2004 and stayed put. Both Britain and France now project that their populations will rise from the current 60 million each to more than 75 million by *mid*century. Germany, despite its recent uptick in births, still seems likely to drop to 70 million or less by 2050 and lose its status as Europe’s most populous country.

    In Britain, the number of births rose in 2007 for the sixth year in a row. Britain’s fertility rate has increased from 1.6 to 1.9 in just six years, with a striking contribution from women in their thirties and *forties—*just the kind of hard-to-predict behavioral change that drives demographers wild. The fertility rate is at its highest level since 1980. The National Health Service has started an emergency recruitment drive to hire more midwives, tempting early retirees from the profession back to work with a bonus of up to $6,000. In Scotland, where births have been increasing by five percent a year, Glasgow’s Herald has reported “a mini baby boom.”
    Population growth on a scale comparable to that which frightened pundits and demographers a generation ago still exists in 30 of the world’s least developed countries. Each has a fertility rate of more than five. With a few *exceptions—notably, *Afghanistan and the Palestinian territories—*those countries are located in *sub-*Saharan Africa. Depending on the future course of birthrates, *sub-*Saharan Africa’s current 800 million people are likely to become 1.7 billion by 2050 and three billion by the end of the *century.
    One striking implication of this growth is that there will be a great religious revolution, as Africa becomes the home of monotheism. By *midcen*tury, sub-Saharan Africa is likely to be the demographic center of Islam, home to as many Muslims as Asia and to far more than inhabit the Middle East. The *non-*Arab Muslim countries of *Africa—*Niger, Mali, Burkina Faso, and Senegal—constitute the one region of the Islamic world where birthrates remain high. In several of these countries, the average woman will have upward of five children in her lifetime.
    Christianity will also feel the effects of Africa’s growth. By 2025, there will be as many Christians in *sub-*Saharan *Africa—*some 640 *million—*as in South America. By 2050, it is almost certain that most of the world’s Christians will live in Africa. As Kenyan scholar John Mbiti writes, “The centers of the church’s universality [are] no longer in Geneva, Rome, Athens, Paris, London, New York, but Kinshasa, Buenos Aires, Addis Ababa, and Manila.”
    The lower the birthrate, the greater the likelihood that a given society is developing—investing in education, accumulating disposable income and savings, and starting to consume at levels comparable to those of the middle classes in developed societies. Absent a shock factor such as war or famine, a society with a falling birthrate tends to be aspirational: Its members seek decent housing, education for their children, provision for health care and retirement and vacations, running water and flush toilets, electricity and appliances such as refrigerators and televisions and computers. As societies clamber up the prosperity chain, they also climb the mobility ladder, seeking bicycles, motor scooters, and eventually cars; they also climb the protein ladder, seeking better, more varied foods and more *meat.
    This pattern is apparent in China, India, and the Middle East. China’s new middle class, defined as those in households with incomes above about $10,000 a year, is now estimated to number between 100 million and 150 million people. Some put the figure in India as high as 200 million. But it is apparent from the urban landscape across the developing *world—*whether in Mumbai or Shanghai, São Paulo or Moscow, Dubai or *Istanbul—*that a growing proportion of consumers seek to emulate a *Western-*international lifestyle, which includes an air-conditioned house with a car in the garage, a private garden, satellite TV, and Internet access, along with the chance to raise a limited number of children, all of whom will have the opportunity to go to college. Whether the biosphere can adapt to such increases in consumption remains a critical *question.
    Perhaps the most striking fact about the demographic transformation now unfolding is that it is going to make the world look a lot more like Europe. The world is aging in an unprecedented way. A milepost in this process came in 1998, when for the first time the number of people in the developed world over the age of 60 outnumbered those below the age of 15. By 2047, the world as a whole will reach the same *point.
    The world’s median age is 28 today, and it is expected to reach 38 by the middle of the century. In the United States, the median age at that point will be a *young*ish 41, while it will be over 50 in Japan and 47 in Europe. The United States will be the only Western country to have been in the top 10 largest countries in terms of population size in both 1950 and 2050. Russia, Japan, Germany, Britain, and Italy were all demographic titans in the middle of the 20th century. Today, only Russia and Japan still (barely) make the top 10. They will not stay there long. The world has changed. There is more and faster change to *come.
    Martin Walker, a senior scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center.
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    Guys you all fell for a pretty good troll, this maths enthusiast guy got you good, no one could be stupid enough to actually believe the stupidity he came out with
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    (Original post by Paxdax)
    lololol
    Ironic! Ironic! Ironic!

    Islamic gayness: http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._in_saudi.html

    Islamic incest:
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3342040.ece

    Islamic pedophilia:
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...ide/index.html



    The Islamic World is ahead of all others in all of them, hahhahaha!
    The Islamic World is ahead of all others in morality, piety, righteousness, probity and civilized behaviour.

    Nonmuslim westerners or western rejects like secular turks are unaware of civilization, and as such look out for bestiality, incest, homosexuality, paedophilia, drunken stupor, drug addiction and other ills throughout the world.

    ALL of your "claims" are western in origin. As is seen once again, whereever there are westerners (even if in "cyberspace"), there are such deviations from morality and propriety.

    Again, ALL of those "cases" that you mentioned are actually western claims. We know westerners don't even know their own fathers because their mothers commonly have had intercourse with plenty of strangers, animals and inanimate objects without keeping track of who their parents were.

    It's particularly true of Netherlands and Denmark but most of the Western world follows the same pattern.
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    (Original post by mjar69)
    Guys you all fell for a pretty good troll, this maths enthusiast guy got you good, no one could be stupid enough to actually believe the stupidity he came out with
    Can you point out exactly why you think my claims exhibited stupidity?

    Facts are facts, and netherlands and denmarks have animal bordellos and political parties clamouring for paedophilia.
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    (Original post by AirRaven)
    No, I stated that Saudi Arabia and Yemen conform to the purported image put forward by the Western Media, from absolutely everything I've been able to find concerning their state of affairs.


    Good god- this enrages me.
    I'll make this a point by point rebuttal:


    Nor does the West. The onus is on the men to simply not act like dicks.

    I'd point to the latest example of dickery from Afghanistan's Government as a counter-example, but going by your recent posts, I'd assume that "In General" is your get-out clause.


    Again- nor does the West.

    Western women are free to do whatever they please- regardless of whatever self-righteous religious sensibilities they might offend.

    We, unlike Muslim nations, don't attempt to prevent women exercising their right to self-determination by locking them away, segregated from the opposite gender. They're free, individual citizens in their own right- it's not even an issue.


    ...Which isn't really an issue, I'd argue, unless you're particularly hung up on that sort of thing.

    Granted, illegitimate children happen in the West. So what? There are umpteen kids who grow up knowing their parents for each child that doesn't.


    Lay off the Pornography, have a glance at reality.



    ...Like free, unimprisoned women?
    ....
    ...And, again- this is an issue why, exactly?

    It's a question of free will- whether or not you consider such actions to be acceptable.


    ...And I don't think I've ever enjoyed responding to a troll more.
    I agree with Chrrye, make it short. I don't have unlimited time or patience to reply to an online western gay "warrior" pretending to chastise me for stating little publicized but uncomfortable truths regarding the immoral and deprave western incestuous world of homosexual queers.
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    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    I agree with Chrrye, make it short. I don't have unlimited time or patience to reply to an online western gay "warrior" pretending to chastise me for stating little publicized but uncomfortable truths regarding the immoral and deprave western incestuous world of homosexual queers.
    I'm not really comfortable having my username in such a ludicrously ridiculous post. And I was telling you both to try and have less massive posts.

    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    Can you point out exactly why you think my claims exhibited stupidity?
    Everything you write on this thread pretty much..
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    (Original post by maths-enthusiast)
    The Islamic World is ahead of all others in morality, piety, righteousness, probity and civilized behaviour.
    What, such as burning little children, burying women alive, paedophilia, racism and anti-semetism?
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    (Original post by Chrrye)
    Everything you write on this thread pretty much..
    On every other thread, as well. He just ducks out of debates he knows he can't win.
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    According to maths-enthusiast, it doesn't count if your sources come from western media. Unfortunately most Islamic countries don't have the freedom of speech to be able to report about these sorts of things.
 
 
 
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