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should oxbridge accept alumni's offspring with preference?
that is, should the occasional alumni's kids get preference if the university benefits financially from it, given that this money would benefit all the students?
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Mop
Yes, if their degree certificate has "NB: thick posh kid we only let in to get our hands on daddy's money" printed on it in 18pt red lettering.
hahaha
RxB
Why not just take this to its logical conclusion, and say, for each £50k donated, they'll drop the grade requirements by one? So you can buy a BBB offer for £150k, or an EE offer for £650k.
Haha, that would be good.*
But if you bought a BBB offer, would there be more pressure on you to get exactly BBB, because for every A you get, you've wasted £50k, and if you drop a grade, you either owe another £50k, or miss your offer anyway? Wow, imagine the debt...
*No..wait...why would that be good for me?!
homoterror
that is, should the occasional alumni's kids get preference if the university benefits financially from it, given that this money would benefit all the students?
That ^, and preference for potential donors' children, and recruitment of athletes.......
....and you have Harvard style admissions
Absolutely no way. Oxbridge, and all other universities, for that matter, should consider applications based on merit and merit alone.
While it is easy to be dismissive of such an idea..
It would not harm oxbridge's ability to select the superest and brightest
It could concievably raise a fair deal of money, and both unis are pretty strapped for cash
Remember that at harvard etc, I believe 'legacy preference' is only a very small weighting, basically distinguishing between borderline candidates, not admitting thicky thicky thickos.
Hmmm.
It would not harm oxbridge's ability to select the superest and brightest
It could concievably raise a fair deal of money, and both unis are pretty strapped for cash
Remember that at harvard etc, I believe 'legacy preference' is only a very small weighting, basically distinguishing between borderline candidates, not admitting thicky thicky thickos.
Hmmm.
Waldo
While it is easy to be dismissive of such an idea..
It would not harm oxbridge's ability to select the superest and brightest
It could concievably raise a fair deal of money, and both unis are pretty strapped for cash
Remember that at harvard etc, I believe 'legacy preference' is only a very small weighting, basically distinguishing between borderline candidates, not admitting thicky thicky thickos.
Hmmm.
It would not harm oxbridge's ability to select the superest and brightest
It could concievably raise a fair deal of money, and both unis are pretty strapped for cash
Remember that at harvard etc, I believe 'legacy preference' is only a very small weighting, basically distinguishing between borderline candidates, not admitting thicky thicky thickos.
Hmmm.
Depending on the parent (i.e. potential donor), it may not be so borderline.
Anyway, their admissions on the whole are very different (extra curricular activities get a lot of weighting compared to here)
If Oxbridge need cash so much, they may as well go the whole hog and become private institutions, like Harvard and co.
Hash
I don't believe they can or do recruit athletes for undergrad?
I don't believe they can or do recruit athletes for undergrad?
anymore.
(though more recently than you might imagine, apparently doing well in sport X and applying to college Y for subject Z meant you were in..
)why should alumni expect their offspring to get in on the basis of donations..?
My first reaction to this sort of thing is no way, but really... If the university stands to gain immensley from the occasional exception, it seems to be all right to me. For extraordinary sums of money (not your £50 a grade) letting it slide a little (perhaps not a lot) seems to benefit the university immensley since it doesn't really hurt to have one or two subpar students and it helps a lot to have an extra £30 million or whatever to throw around.
But then again, it does just seem "wrong."
But then again, it does just seem "wrong."
Seem wrong?
Of course it's bloody wrong, what about all the hard working, working-class kids who have the intelligence and aptitude to get to Oxford or Cambridge but because mummy and daddy don't earn more than £20k a year let alone have £50k to throw at the tutors to make them sympathetic they can't get in? Ha this is contemptable, to even suggest it and then go and agree with it just shows you how middle class oxbridge still is. It's got nothing to do with aptitude and ability, it has everything to do with ability to pay - it's wrong wrong wrong wrong.
Of course it's bloody wrong, what about all the hard working, working-class kids who have the intelligence and aptitude to get to Oxford or Cambridge but because mummy and daddy don't earn more than £20k a year let alone have £50k to throw at the tutors to make them sympathetic they can't get in? Ha this is contemptable, to even suggest it and then go and agree with it just shows you how middle class oxbridge still is. It's got nothing to do with aptitude and ability, it has everything to do with ability to pay - it's wrong wrong wrong wrong.
oriel historian
Seem wrong?
Of course it's bloody wrong, what about all the hard working, working-class kids who have the intelligence and aptitude to get to Oxford or Cambridge but because mummy and daddy don't earn more than £20k a year let alone have £50k to throw at the tutors to make them sympathetic they can't get in? Ha this is contemptable, to even suggest it and then go and agree with it just shows you how middle class oxbridge still is. It's got nothing to do with aptitude and ability, it has everything to do with ability to pay - it's wrong wrong wrong wrong.
Of course it's bloody wrong, what about all the hard working, working-class kids who have the intelligence and aptitude to get to Oxford or Cambridge but because mummy and daddy don't earn more than £20k a year let alone have £50k to throw at the tutors to make them sympathetic they can't get in? Ha this is contemptable, to even suggest it and then go and agree with it just shows you how middle class oxbridge still is. It's got nothing to do with aptitude and ability, it has everything to do with ability to pay - it's wrong wrong wrong wrong.
Well said.
It isn't right, because for every kid that gets accepted because a big pile of cash helped the tutors 'come to the right decision' there's a kid who worked hard and has all the right potential who won't get that place and that's unfair.
Am reminded of the episode of the Simpsons where Mr. Burns is trying to get his stupid illegitimate son Larry into Yale:
"Well, we have a sliding scale, for example, for a score of 400 points you would need to donate a new football field, a score of 300 points would mean a new dormintory, and for Larry's score... we would require an international airport."
Am reminded of the episode of the Simpsons where Mr. Burns is trying to get his stupid illegitimate son Larry into Yale:
"Well, we have a sliding scale, for example, for a score of 400 points you would need to donate a new football field, a score of 300 points would mean a new dormintory, and for Larry's score... we would require an international airport."
Little Kitten - what if the money acquired in this way was used to fund more places here (that couldn't otherwise be created) so that actually, for every "cash kid" accepted there would be x more places for "potential kids" who otherwise wouldn't have been able to come?
Would that be ok?
Would that be ok?
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