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Reply 1

indeed i am doing it. the major influences on the boys in my opinion are... well each other for starters. brotherhood seems to be an important element, as does growing up, which i supposed is catalysed in the younger brother by witnessing his older brother.

a nice revision site in terms of having a good summary is: http://www.sacdebilles.co.uk/

i havnt started revising it at all yet, but i will soon. ish.

Reply 2

silence
indeed i am doing it. the major influences on the boys in my opinion are... well each other for starters. brotherhood seems to be an important element, as does growing up, which i supposed is catalysed in the younger brother by witnessing his older brother.


could you give brief examples?

Reply 3

annabelle
What are the major influences on the two boys?

Also, does anyone have any good revision resources for this book?

thanks


I'd say that the whole episode at the Hotel Excelsior had a major influence on the two boys.

For example, they see the negative side of human nature and the cruelty in the way human treat one another. Also they have to learn to cope with anything and to keep aware at all times. This is one of the episodes that really changes Jo and as a result he feels that his childhood was stolen from him, and that he had grown, hardened and changed to a point that Jo doesn't cry when he finds out news about his father.

However to counter that, the people they meet along the way who are kind to them also influence the boys and show them the positive side of the human nature, e.g. through the 'le pretre', 'Subinagui', 'le cure de la Buffa' who all show kindness to the two boys and help save their lives during the book. It is partly due to them that Jo decided to save Mancelier at the end from 'les maquis'.

There are probably loads of different influences that other people will come up with, but those are the ones that sprang to mind, i suppose it depends on how you tackle the question. Hope this helps though! :smile:

Gosh, i really should start my revision on the book!

Reply 4

Revision for this book is a real cow...I've forgotten most of it!!! I'm gonna have to re-read the book. :frown:

Thanks for help!!!

Reply 5

Ok, another question. What do you think are the main lessons they learn from their journeys and what experiences do you think make them appreciate life more?

Reply 6

anyone?! much help needed here...anything would be good!

Reply 7

Hey,

I study "un sac de billes" too :smile:

I think the boy’s father is a big influence, as he has survived the Tsar and is an inspirational feature in their life.

I think they learn a lot during the journey, how to survive and manage by themselves. They also learn that you cannot trust anybody/everybody for example, even "la grand mere" as they give her a false surname “Martin”. They discover new ways to have fun, such as the business deals in Nice. They also discover the absurdity of war, when the boys are arrested in Nice, Jo says that he can now understand his mums point of view that the war is stupid.

That’s all I can think of at the moment. We could make a list of all the examples which show relations between the two brothers...

1) The fact that Maurice knows when Jo is crying and that he understands him well. He also realises when Jo is hiding l'etoile with his scarf.

2) They are competitive; they have a race after they have delivered the meat in Hagetmau.

3) The little disputes such as in the cinema in Marseille

4) Maurice tries to protect Jo saying that they will soon be released when they are arrested and taken to l'Hotel Excelsior. Maurice is always optimistic and I think this helps Jo. Maurice also helps Jo when he is ill at the Hotel.

5) The boys do not like to be separated, so when Jo tells Subinagui that he wants to try la poterie, Maurice also says that he will do it, but reluctantly. Subinagui realises this but he doesn’t press the point.

6) When they are at their sister Rosette's house and the lady Madame Vouillard/Marthe Rosenberg says that they look alike but Jo dislikes this.

Any other examples??? :smile:

Reply 8

Thanks for your reply.

Hmmm...being the older one, Maurice takes the lead in their relationship. Maurice is more enterprising, whereas Jo is more ethical, for example, their little dispute after Jo finds that Maurice has been making money by taking people over the demarcation line. Maurice makes Jo realise that they are going to have to think of ways to make money in order to survive, which is also another example of how they influence each other.

As they both get older, the war makes Jo grow up and he becomes less and less dependent on Maurice. Although the two boys leave Paris together, Jo returns to Paris by himself, which I suppose could be indicative of his growth? Also, the fact that Jo cries at the beginning because he loses his favourite marble can be compared to the fact that he doesn't cry at the end when he finds out that his father will not be returning, highlights how the war has hardened him.

Reply 9

Thanks, they are really good points :smile: How are you going to revise for this exam?

Do you study another literature book as well? I also study Moliere L'avare.

What exam board are you studying with? :smile:

Reply 10

I don't know how I'm going to study for this exam...so far, I've just tried to make essay plans for a list of essay questions our teacher has given us...hence all the above questions!

Yeah, I'm doing "La Cle Sur La Porte"...that's a bitch as well...and I'm with Edxcel...what about you?

Reply 11

I study French with Edexcel too! I am reading un sac de billes again at the moment. I have read up to where the boys reach le village R- when Jo stays with Manceiller. I have read the book so many times now, but I still dont know it fully, you have to know so many points!! I have done quite a few plans and essays in the past, so I have a few questions if you would like anymore, although you may have seen them before.

Do you think there is a possibility they could ask us about what the boys did in Nice and what they learnt from their experiences there? What would you say?

I have thought about their business deals, and making lots of money. The boys have changed and grown up, as they are no longer playing marbles. How they made friends with a lot of the Italian soldiers. How their dad was really proud of them but also worried. Jo drank "grenadine" which he said he aspired to when he was on the train to Dax. They also learnt valuable information about the town such as la Buffa church, which was useful for when they were arrested in the Hotel Excelsior.. urm...

Reply 12

God, I really hope they don't ask about Nice! I suppose it highlights how much they value their freedom. Even when they went to Moisson Nouvelle, where they didn't like the regimental culture, anything was better than the Hotel Excelsior. Their time at the Hotel made them appreciate life more.

I think the point where Jo was held at gun point, is when it suddenly dawned on him that this whole thing was no longer a game. Before, being the child, I think he viewed the whole war thing as being some kind of adventure...that perception suddenly stopped there. Before, his childlike naivity formed a kind of barrier to the fear...I think for the first time, that fear came out fully at that point.

Hmmm...I don't really know what else there is. I think your points make a pretty good summary.

Reply 13

annabelle

I think the point where Jo was held at gun point, is when it suddenly dawned on him that this whole thing was no longer a game. Before, being the child, I think he viewed the whole war thing as being some kind of adventure...that perception suddenly stopped there. Before, his childlike naivity formed a kind of barrier to the fear...I think for the first time, that fear came out fully at that point.


I did my french cwk on USDB- an essay on how Jo's character develops throughout the novel. Probably quite an obvious topic but pretty interesting. What do you think of the book?

Reply 14

i'm studying it too...i was planning on reading the book again, but i have a psychology paper on the same day and it looks like i wont have time so i think i'm going to settle for reading the english summary and hope they dont ask any hugely detailed questions.

Here are some past Qs for reference, if you didnt have them already - along with answer summary thingies for the questions i've previously written answers to:

June 2004
a) Faites le portrait du Maurice. A votre avis, quelles differences y a-t-il entre son frere et lui?

I did this one in a mock we had...basically I planned it out like this
- intro section about brotherhood, how close they are, but also about how maurice always seems to be in the lead and jo must follow in his footsteps.
- the game of marbles at the beginning where jo cries and maurice returns jo's marbles ~ illustrates Jo's vulnerability and Maurice's generosity/caring attitude
- when they leave home, they are scared at first but the voyage strengthens their bond.
- Maurice demonstrates his intelligence and independence when they cross the ligne de demarcation - works all night and puts himself in danger to make money for him and his brother ~ generosity
- something the brothers have in common is their 'debrouillardise' and quick thinking - eg. at the end of the novel when they both make their way back to Paris separately.
- Maurice is more intelligent than Jo and mocks him a little - eg. when their mother gives Maurice his star and he says that "[il] va aussi avoir [sa] medaille"
- However, most of the time you can see that they are just joking and the brothers get along very well
- One difference between them is that Jo is more naive than Maurice and finds it more difficult to understand the reality of the war. ~ Maurice can go out at night to make money as a 'passeur', while Joseph is still trying to understand the war and the discrimination against the Jews.
- This is mainly due to the age difference ~ Maurice is more mature than Jo
- We also know that Jo doesnt want to be the little brother but wants to be treated like an adult and be more like his brother Maurice

- conclusion: the most incredible thing about the story is how the brothers manage to survive not only in a world of adults but in a world of war and anti-semitism. Joffo demonstrates that there is only one thing they need: brotherhood. And despite their differences, there is one things that always remains, and that is the strong bond between the two brothers.


b) Racontez ce qui arrive aux enfants a l'hotel excelsior. Evaluez l'importance de cet episode dans le roman.


June 2002
a) Que fait le pere Joffo pour preparer ses fils pour leur voyage? A votre avis, par quels moyens reussissent-ils a survivre?

b) Racontez au moins deux incidents ou quelqu'un vient en aide aux enfants. Cette histoire nous permet-elle d'etre optimiste ou pessimiste sur la nature humaine?


2001
a) Decrivez la journee que les freres Joffo ont passee a Marseille. Qu'est-ce que cette episode contribue a l'histoire et en quoi nous aide-t-il a comprendre les deux garcons?

b) "Il nous ecouta avec le calme bienveillant qu'aucune catastrophe ne semblait pouvoir ebranler?. Faites la description de Subinagui. Quelle est l'importance de ce personnage dans l'histoire?


2000
a) Decrivez les diffrentes sortes de resistance et de collaboration qu'on voit chez les personnages dans ce livre. A votre avis, lequel de ces personnafes exerce la plus grande influence sur les evenements? Expliquez votre choix.

b) Vers la fin du livre, Joseph Joffo dit que, a cause de ses experiences, il a perdu son enfance. Racontez les evenements dans le livre qui contribuent a cette perte. A votre avis, jusqu'a quel point ces experiences ont-elles un cote positif?


Jan. 99
a) Decrivez la vie de Joseph chez les Mancelier. Que represente cette famille, et quelle est leur attitude envers Joseph?

b) Expliquez commment le cure a bord du train, et la dame qui tient la boutique a Montlucon aide les deux garcons. Lequel des personnages qui viennent en aide aux garcons admirez-vous le plus? Donnez les raisons de votre choix.

June 99
a) Decrivez les experiences de Joseph et Maurice quand ils sont a la Moisson Nouvelle. A votre avis, que leur apportent ces experiences?

b) Dans quelles circonstances les billes, l'etoile jaune et les musettes paraissant-elles dans ce livre? Quelle est la signification de ces objets?

1998
a) Choissisez l'episode dans ce livre qui vous semble le plus significatif. Expliquez comment cet eisode s'est produit et pourquoi vous l'avez choisi.

b) Quels sont les traits de caractere qui differencient Maurice et Joseph Joffo? Jusqu'a quel point les rapports entre ces deux freres changent-ils au cours du livre?

1997
a) Why do you think Joffo chose this title for the book? To what extent do you consider it appropriate? Support your answer with precise references to the text.

b) 'Et finalement ces quatre annees de l'Occupation m'ont apporte une philosophie. Je me suis par la suite senti bien plus fort pour affronter la vie de tous les jours, ses pieges, ses echecs, ses deceptions.'
Select two episodes in the book and show what you think they taught Joseph Joffo about life. Support your answer with precise references to the text.




Sorry, there may be some typing errors in there, and the answers may be a bit dodgy cause i translated them straight from the French versions and typed it out from my own notes and stuff. and also because its 1 am. but i hope it helps. I actually have essay plans for pretty much all of those questions, but I didn't know if they would be of any use and also got kinda lazy. Anyway, I can put them up here as well if any of you would find it useful.


As far as revision sites go, there isnt much except the www.sacdebilles.co.uk site (as previously mentioned) but I've also found some semi-useful stuff at http://b8.stradax.net/misc/un_sac_de_billes.html

Reply 15

muffin
i'm studying it too...i was planning on reading the book again, but i have a psychology paper on the same day and it looks like i wont have time so i think i'm going to settle for reading the english summary and hope they dont ask any hugely detailed questions.

Here are some past Qs for reference, if you didnt have them already - along with answer summary thingies for the questions i've previously written answers to:

June 2004
a) Faites le portrait du Maurice. A votre avis, quelles differences y a-t-il entre son frere et lui?

I did this one in a mock we had...basically I planned it out like this
- intro section about brotherhood, how close they are, but also about how maurice always seems to be in the lead and jo must follow in his footsteps.
- the game of marbles at the beginning where jo cries and maurice returns jo's marbles ~ illustrates Jo's vulnerability and Maurice's generosity/caring attitude
- when they leave home, they are scared at first but the voyage strengthens their bond.
- Maurice demonstrates his intelligence and independence when they cross the ligne de demarcation - works all night and puts himself in danger to make money for him and his brother ~ generosity
- something the brothers have in common is their 'debrouillardise' and quick thinking - eg. at the end of the novel when they both make their way back to Paris separately.
- Maurice is more intelligent than Jo and mocks him a little - eg. when their mother gives Maurice his star and he says that "[il] va aussi avoir [sa] medaille"
- However, most of the time you can see that they are just joking and the brothers get along very well
- One difference between them is that Jo is more naive than Maurice and finds it more difficult to understand the reality of the war. ~ Maurice can go out at night to make money as a 'passeur', while Joseph is still trying to understand the war and the discrimination against the Jews.
- This is mainly due to the age difference ~ Maurice is more mature than Jo
- We also know that Jo doesnt want to be the little brother but wants to be treated like an adult and be more like his brother Maurice

- conclusion: the most incredible thing about the story is how the brothers manage to survive not only in a world of adults but in a world of war and anti-semitism. Joffo demonstrates that there is only one thing they need: brotherhood. And despite their differences, there is one things that always remains, and that is the strong bond between the two brothers.


b) Racontez ce qui arrive aux enfants a l'hotel excelsior. Evaluez l'importance de cet episode dans le roman.


June 2002
a) Que fait le pere Joffo pour preparer ses fils pour leur voyage? A votre avis, par quels moyens reussissent-ils a survivre?

b) Racontez au moins deux incidents ou quelqu'un vient en aide aux enfants. Cette histoire nous permet-elle d'etre optimiste ou pessimiste sur la nature humaine?


2001
a) Decrivez la journee que les freres Joffo ont passee a Marseille. Qu'est-ce que cette episode contribue a l'histoire et en quoi nous aide-t-il a comprendre les deux garcons?

b) "Il nous ecouta avec le calme bienveillant qu'aucune catastrophe ne semblait pouvoir ebranler?. Faites la description de Subinagui. Quelle est l'importance de ce personnage dans l'histoire?


2000
a) Decrivez les diffrentes sortes de resistance et de collaboration qu'on voit chez les personnages dans ce livre. A votre avis, lequel de ces personnafes exerce la plus grande influence sur les evenements? Expliquez votre choix.

b) Vers la fin du livre, Joseph Joffo dit que, a cause de ses experiences, il a perdu son enfance. Racontez les evenements dans le livre qui contribuent a cette perte. A votre avis, jusqu'a quel point ces experiences ont-elles un cote positif?


Jan. 99
a) Decrivez la vie de Joseph chez les Mancelier. Que represente cette famille, et quelle est leur attitude envers Joseph?

b) Expliquez commment le cure a bord du train, et la dame qui tient la boutique a Montlucon aide les deux garcons. Lequel des personnages qui viennent en aide aux garcons admirez-vous le plus? Donnez les raisons de votre choix.

June 99
a) Decrivez les experiences de Joseph et Maurice quand ils sont a la Moisson Nouvelle. A votre avis, que leur apportent ces experiences?

b) Dans quelles circonstances les billes, l'etoile jaune et les musettes paraissant-elles dans ce livre? Quelle est la signification de ces objets?

1998
a) Choissisez l'episode dans ce livre qui vous semble le plus significatif. Expliquez comment cet eisode s'est produit et pourquoi vous l'avez choisi.

b) Quels sont les traits de caractere qui differencient Maurice et Joseph Joffo? Jusqu'a quel point les rapports entre ces deux freres changent-ils au cours du livre?

1997
a) Why do you think Joffo chose this title for the book? To what extent do you consider it appropriate? Support your answer with precise references to the text.

b) 'Et finalement ces quatre annees de l'Occupation m'ont apporte une philosophie. Je me suis par la suite senti bien plus fort pour affronter la vie de tous les jours, ses pieges, ses echecs, ses deceptions.'
Select two episodes in the book and show what you think they taught Joseph Joffo about life. Support your answer with precise references to the text.




Sorry, there may be some typing errors in there, and the answers may be a bit dodgy cause i translated them straight from the French versions and typed it out from my own notes and stuff. and also because its 1 am. but i hope it helps. I actually have essay plans for pretty much all of those questions, but I didn't know if they would be of any use and also got kinda lazy. Anyway, I can put them up here as well if any of you would find it useful.


As far as revision sites go, there isnt much except the www.sacdebilles.co.uk site (as previously mentioned) but I've also found some semi-useful stuff at http://b8.stradax.net/misc/un_sac_de_billes.html


Essay plans would be great! Please post them! Thank you!!!

Reply 16

Hey, Thank you for all the past questions, that is really helpful :smile:

An essay plan especially for this essay title would be great:

2000
a) Decrivez les diffrentes sortes de resistance et de collaboration qu'on voit chez les personnages dans ce livre. A votre avis, lequel de ces personnages exerce la plus grande influence sur les evenements? Expliquez votre choix.

Thanks :smile:

Reply 17

the 2000 one...


and the 1999 one..



i know they're not too elaborate, but i hope they're ok. i'll put some more up later.

Reply 18

Does anyone have a good essay plan for the importance of Moisson Neuvelle - I think it is a possible question?

Reply 19

annabelle
What are the major influences on the two boys?

Also, does anyone have any good revision resources for this book?

thanks


Dearest Annabelle, it wasn't that bad after all.

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