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Original post by scrawlx101
they dont give a crap about low income families


So that's why they raised the personal allowance and they're raising it again...
If you are a low income family all Labour will do is give you short term financial support yet they will entwine you in the benefits net. You will never escape. Labour need you to be poor in order for them to have a core voting base. Labour give the poor a fraction of what they could get under Tories who will give them the opportunity to better them selves and be successful if they choose to work very hard and study. It is not easy but at least Tories give poor people who want to make something of themselves a chance in life to better themselves. Socialism and communism merely keeps you on the same lifestyle while there are a few super rich individuals. They do not give you the chance to be one of them individuals. A labour government practically dictates your life but showers you in small benefits to make themselves look good.
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Original post by The two eds
Thank god you just confirmed my gut feeling that you are inadequate of basic mathematics my friend. If you had read anything I had said you would know borrowing will have always increased under any government and what happens when a country continues to borrow? Yes you guessed it you, the debt will increase. Since Labour created an economy dependent on borrowing where year on year borrowing increases of course Tories would of borrowed more. Any government would of. It's basic economics and common sense, seriously everyone who followed economics knew this was the case from the begginning. All of us who follow the climate knew this was ganno happen from the second the Tories came into power, even the government knew it.

Why didn't they tell everyone? Because people like you who read the daily mail or guardian would apply your 2 minute lesson of economics from the article and make a childish judgement call on the policy.

Clearing Labour's mess takes time. Before you tackle debt you tackle deficit which evidently they did. Basic economics my friend. No doubt you will head to university and study art but still claim Labour have economic competence.


Calm down.

What I was referring to was this:

In 2010 Osborne predicted that debt would peak at 67.2% of GDP in 2015 and then start falling. The debt has reached 90.6% of GDP (2013 figures) and it's still growing. He first promised to get rid of the deficit by 2015, then by 2017-2018, and since winning the election this has again been pushed back to 2019-2020. So even on his own terms, he's not great.

Losing the AAA rating in 2013 and then blaming it on Labour is pathetic.

The only two Labour governments who have ever increased UK debt as a % of GDP were the Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31, which coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010, which coincided with the 2008 crash (they left an 11% increase). The rest all left office with UK debt as a % of GDP lower than what it was when they entered.

Take note that in 1997, UK debt as a % of GDP was at 48.7%. In 2007, the last year before the crash, this had lowered to 43.7%. Of course, the crash messed everything up, but Osborne has only increased the debt since (unlike the post-war pre-Thatcher governments, which managed to take debt down from 237% of GDP in 1947 to 43% in 1979 by investing and, indeed, starting up - not diluting and cutting - social housing, the NHS and the welfare state). Clearly, that strategy worked far better than Gideon's is.

I enjoyed your ad hominems. Thank you.

Edited to add: I just noticed this part of your post again, which amused me -

Before you tackle debt you tackle deficit which evidently they did


They haven't even halved it, when they promised to eliminate it by now. Their 2015 election manifesto had "we've cut the deficit by a third" proudly emblazoned on their posters... when really it was just an admission of missed targets. So, like I said, they failed on their own terms.
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Original post by The two eds
What you fail to understand is Labour created a borrowing dependent economy. .


Do you seriously believe that?

When Thatcher described Tony Blair as her creation that is what she meant. Labour adopted the 'borrowing dependent economy' from the New Right (Thatcher).

If you think a borrowing dependent economy is bad, welcome to the loony fringe. We have cookies.

People's minds are sooooo manipulated :indiff: To vote Tory if you don't lie the dependence on debt is just so crazy it would be funny if it didn't have such **** consequences.
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Original post by scrawlx101
lol conservatives want to help our country's economy get it right...they dont give a crap about low income families imo 1%pay freeze for the rest of the country is BS whilst they get a payrise(yes i know they cant choose it) but they are all lying about reinvesting it into charities...all politicians are corrupt


What is a 1% pay freeze? Is it possible to freeze 1% of someone's salary? I think you are referring to a capped 1% pay rise. You should bear in mind that this only applies to public sector workers of whom there are about 5.4 million. Wages in the private sector (which makes up most of UK employment) are rising rapidly - in April alone, the rise was 2.7% which was way above inflation.

So that's one criticism dealt with. The other is that they lie about reinvesting their payrises into charities. Firstly you've got naff all proof of this so the claim that they are lying is standing on shaky ground at best. Secondly, have you ever thought that these people deserve to be paid 74k? They tend to be highly educated, highly intelligent, highly stressed hard working people - for these traits, they'd be paid far more in the private sector. Do you want all the best-qualified people to go into the private sector, or do you want to pay them a bit more and make being an MP not just a retirement hobby for millionaires?

So your last comment, that all politicians are corrupt, is absolutely baseless.
Original post by Катя
Calm down.

What I was referring to was this:

In 2010 Osborne predicted that debt would peak at 67.2% of GDP in 2015 and then start falling. The debt has reached 90.6% of GDP (2013 figures) and it's still growing. He first promised to get rid of the deficit by 2015, then by 2017-2018, and since winning the election this has again been pushed back to 2019-2020. So even on his own terms, he's not great.

Losing the AAA rating in 2013 and then blaming it on Labour is pathetic.

The only two Labour governments who have ever increased UK debt as a % of GDP were the Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31, which coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010, which coincided with the 2008 crash (they left an 11% increase). The rest all left office with UK debt as a % of GDP lower than what it was when they entered.

Take note that in 1997, UK debt as a % of GDP was at 48.7%. In 2007, the last year before the crash, this had lowered to 43.7%. Of course, the crash messed everything up, but Osborne has only increased the debt since (unlike the post-war pre-Thatcher governments, which managed to take debt down from 237% of GDP in 1947 to 43% in 1979 by investing and, indeed, starting up - not diluting and cutting - social housing, the NHS and the welfare state). Clearly, that strategy worked far better than Gideon's is.

I enjoyed your ad hominems. Thank you.

Edited to add: I just noticed this part of your post again, which amused me -



They haven't even halved it, when they promised to eliminate it by now. Their 2015 election manifesto had "we've cut the deficit by a third" proudly emblazoned on their posters... when really it was just an admission of missed targets. So, like I said, they failed on their own terms.


1. I think it shows a slight naivety to have believed Osborne's claims that he could get rid of the deficit in one term having no idea what the books looked like.
2. Do you actually know why he's pushed the end of austerity back from 2017/18 to 2020? It's not because he's going to miss the deadline, it's because he decided to slow austerity down by having it apply over a couple of more years. I don't really see that as a bad thing. Do you?
3. I don't think the downgrading of UK plc was actually anyone's fault. It's obvious cause was the financial crisis, so if one were to trace the whole thing back you could pin it on the regulators, but by all accounts Osborne's austerity was harsh enough that the downgrading was not his fault.
4. What's your opinion about the fact that Blair/Brown were running deficits after 15 years of consecutive economic growth?
5. Why do you feel the need to call him Gideon? He changed his name by deed poll when he was about 13. Do you think Gideon's a better name to fit your caricature of him as an out-of-touch snob? That's pretty cheap and it doesn't make your arguments any better.
Original post by Катя

He's not even a qualified economist. He is a former towel-folder at Selfridges with a 2.1 BA in history. Where?


TBF, the UK has a tradition of getting people in the cabinet with no real history of that role. I also seem to remember a certain Gordon Brown having a BA in history!

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