Should i vote Labour?

Hi, should i vote Labour or Reform UK? I'm a working class young person (Dad is a banker, mum a doctor) and i'm not sure who i should vote for on the 5th November 2024.

Thx in advnace, please keep it clean :smile:

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Reply 1

ALEreapp

Get off TSR and go and do your own research on policies etc. no one should be telling you to vote for. But basically all politicians lie for power so it doesn’t really matter anyway :smile:

Reply 2

Alexbantana

Original post by ALEreapp

Get off TSR and go and do your own research on policies etc. no one should be telling you to vote for. But basically all politicians lie for power so it doesn’t really matter anyway :smile:

I like Starma but not a big fan of Biden

Reply 3

ALEreapp

Original post by Alexbantana

I like Starma but not a big fan of Biden

Good thing Biden is nothing to do with our elections then isn’t it 🫡

Reply 4

SaucissonSecCy

How are you working class if your parents work in those professions?

Reply 5

goyishekop

Tories are finished and Keir Starmers Labour are basically what the Tories have been minus maybe few differences on some cultural things

What people need to look at is who really finances our politicians.. its no different in Britain than the US, except in the US its way easy to find out because they literally brag about all their backed candidates winning lmao

Democracy represents the interest of a chosen few

Reply 6

SaucissonSecCy

Original post by goyishekop

Tories are finished and Keir Starmers Labour are basically what the Tories have been minus maybe few differences on some cultural things
What people need to look at is who really finances our politicians.. its no different in Britain than the US, except in the US its way easy to find out because they literally brag about all their backed candidates winning lmao
Democracy represents the interest of a chosen few.. they may be small in number percentage wise, but they're extremely wealth and tightly knit which is how they dominate over the majority.

That means bad things for the NHS. Extremely sad.

Reply 7

mallowtopia

Read the manifestos of all the political parties that have candidates for election in your constituency area.
Decide which party's manifesto pledges and leadership you dislike the most then rule out giving them your vote and the opportunity for their leader to become PM.

Vote for Labour if you want to see Starmer as PM and Rayner as Deputy PM with a large Labour majority in Parliament.
Vote Conservative if you can tolerate seeing the present PM stay in power for longer than Gordon Brown and Theresa May did.
Vote Reform if you want to see Starmer as PM and Rayner as Deputy with a small Labour majority or in coalition.

Reply 8

JDINCINERATOR

Don't vote for any political party, none of them are going to improve the situation in this country.

Reply 9

Gazpacho.

Original post by JDINCINERATOR

Don't vote for any political party, none of them are going to improve the situation in this country.

Sadly a common sentiment among young people.

It is sad because politicians know this so can ignore a demographic with a low voter turnout. It’s why young people like yourself get screwed but old people get what they want.

Your stance is self-defeating.

Reply 10

Gazpacho.

Original post by mallowtopia

Read the manifestos of all the political parties that have candidates for election in your constituency area.
Decide which party's manifesto pledges and leadership you dislike the most then rule out giving them your vote and the opportunity for their leader to become PM.
Vote for Labour if you want to see Starmer as PM and Rayner as Deputy PM with a large Labour majority in Parliament.
Vote Conservative if you can tolerate seeing the present PM stay in power for longer than Gordon Brown and Theresa May did.
Vote Reform if you want to see Starmer as PM and Rayner as Deputy with a small Labour majority or in coalition.

People voting Reform will split the Conservative vote so merely plays into Labour hands.

Reply 11

StriderHort

Well you can vote Labour for a change in government or you can vote anything else to essentially keep the same government.

Reply 12

JDINCINERATOR

Original post by Gazpacho.

Sadly a common sentiment among young people.
It is sad because politicians know this so can ignore a demographic with a low voter turnout. It’s why young people like yourself get screwed but old people get what they want.
Your stance is self-defeating.

Is it? The way I see it, the government has feasted on its own self-interests. Look at how much calamity there has been thanks to the Conservatives since they came to power. Labour isn't going to improve this situation. Politicians say things to give us the idea we have power, but there is no power that we have. You think voting is power when in our so-called "democracy" we have to choose between a small handful of besuited men and women to be our voices?

Reply 13

martin7

Original post by Alexbantana

Given that 5th November is a Tuesday, and UK elections are traditionally held on Thursdays, I think it's pretty unlikely that there will be a UK general election on that date.

5th November is, however, the day appointed by law for the US Presidential Election; so I suspect you're confused as to the date.

Reply 14

Alexbantana

Original post by martin7

Given that 5th November is a Tuesday, and UK elections are traditionally held on Thursdays, I think it's pretty unlikely that there will be a UK general election on that date.
5th November is, however, the day appointed by law for the US Presidential Election; so I suspect you're confused as to the date.

Rishi Sunak vs Joe Biden?

Reply 15

04MR17

Volunteer Section Leader

Original post by Alexbantana

Rishi Sunak vs Joe Biden?

Which country do you live in?

Reply 16

Gazpacho.

Original post by JDINCINERATOR

You aren't going to challenge vested interests by choosing to opt out of a democratic system. Your passivity just makes you part of the problem.

Reply 17

Alexbantana

Original post by 04MR17

Which country do you live in?

Reply 18

JDINCINERATOR

Original post by Gazpacho.

You aren't going to challenge vested interests by choosing to opt out of a democratic system. Your passivity just makes you part of the problem.

Can't be part of a problem if I'm not part of the voting that creates the problems with those politicians that make the awful decisions we moan about.

Reply 19

Stiffy Byng

Original post by Alexbantana

Hi, should i vote Labour or Reform UK? I'm a working class young person (Dad is a banker, mum a doctor) and i'm not sure who i should vote for on the 5th November 2024.
Thx in advance, please keep it clean :smile:

Please vote Labour. Please read "Citizen Clem" and/or Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain to understand what Labour achieved after WW2. Imagine a world in which a working class child of immigrants such as me could grow up with excellent free healthcare, great state schooling, and a world class university education provided without charge to me (paid for via taxation). From Dublin tenement to Oxbridge barrister in one generation. That was the real world, not a dream, before 1979.

Imagine widely available affordable housing for working people and students, and public ownership of utilities and transport infrastructure. Again, not a dream, but a reality before 1979. Those who say it didn't work weren't there, or have fallen for fake histories. Yes, there were flaws and failures, but look at the mess we have now.

Since 1979, we have had decades of disastrous Neoliberal policies. The situation before 1979 has been obscured by Neoliberal propaganda about the postwar consensus. It remains to be seen whether Starmer will move away from Blairite Neoliberalism towards social democracy or even democratic Socialism, but he cannot be worse than the incompetent and corrupt Sunak et al.

Reform have nothing to offer but the politics of hatred and division. In the 1930s, the working classes of the UK rejected Fascism and Communism. The 2020s are too much like the 1930s for comfort, but please do as your forebears did and reject extreme politics.

Please, all young people, VOTE. Democracy can only survive if people inform themselves and take part in the electoral process. Not all politicians are liars, and elections CAN deliver progressive change. Look at what happened in 1945, 1964, and 1997.

Brexit happened because ill informed people, many of them old, fell for lies and cynicism. The young can defeat the forces which threaten democracy, but to do so the young must be well informed, must resist propaganda spread by social media and otherwise, and must please, please, VOTE.