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Hi, please could I have help on this question? I don’t know how to work out which one has temporary id-id forces?
Here is the question: https://app.gemoo.com/share/image-annotation/584502036535025664?codeId=v6ggx8gGQboXa&origin=imageurlgenerator

Thanks!
Original post by anonymous294
Hi, please could I have help on this question? I don’t know how to work out which one has temporary id-id forces?
Here is the question: https://app.gemoo.com/share/image-annotation/584502036535025664?codeId=v6ggx8gGQboXa&origin=imageurlgenerator

Thanks!


I would say that it is the change from liquid to gaseous ethanol, as it is a hydrogencarbon molecule in which the electrons are able for intramolecular migration, so within the bonds what in turn changes the Vander Vaals forces and this is the cause for temporary dipole then. But I could be wrong.

@TypicalNerd Can you confirm my thoughts?
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Original post by anonymous294
Hi, please could I have help on this question? I don’t know how to work out which one has temporary id-id forces?
Here is the question: https://app.gemoo.com/share/image-annotation/584502036535025664?codeId=v6ggx8gGQboXa&origin=imageurlgenerator

Thanks!


Temporary id-id forces are a synonym of van der Waals (London) forces. This means you are looking for a compound in which there are no hydrogen bonds and no permanent dipole-dipole interactions.

Both O2 and C4H10 have no permanent dipole-dipole forces or hydrogen bonds (since O2 doesn’t consist of atoms with differing electronegativities and hydrocarbons are nonpolar, as the C-H electronegativity difference is small), but what do you notice about the state symbols for each option?
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Original post by TypicalNerd
Temporary id-id forces are a synonym of van der Waals (London) forces. This means you are looking for a compound in which there are no hydrogen bonds and no permanent dipole-dipole interactions.

Both O2 and C4H10 have no permanent dipole-dipole forces or hydrogen bonds (since O2 doesn’t consist of atoms with differing electronegativities and hydrocarbons are nonpolar, as the C-H electronegativity difference is small), but what do you notice about the state symbols for each option?

In butane it is changing from liquid to solid and in oxygen, solid to liquid? How could i work it out from here? Thanks!
Original post by anonymous294
In butane it is changing from liquid to solid and in oxygen, solid to liquid? How could i work it out from here? Thanks!

If something is going from liquid to solid (and vice versa), are intermolecular forces of any kind becoming overcome?

Think about what the word overcome implies.
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Original post by TypicalNerd
If something is going from liquid to solid (and vice versa), are intermolecular forces of any kind becoming overcome?

Think about what the word overcome implies.

Ohh so would it be oxygen because the intermolecular forces are being weakened therefore there is a change in state from solid to liquid? Thanks!
Original post by anonymous294
Ohh so would it be oxygen because the intermolecular forces are being weakened therefore there is a change in state from solid to liquid? Thanks!

Precisely.

Well done on reaching what I can only presume is the right answer to yet another awful mcq you’ve managed to stumble across.
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Original post by TypicalNerd
Precisely.

Well done on reaching what I can only presume is the right answer to yet another awful mcq you’ve managed to stumble across.

Thanks for the help, i was so lost when i read it! I’ve got a test next week so I’m trying to practice as many questions as i can :smile:
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Original post by TypicalNerd
Temporary id-id forces are a synonym of van der Waals (London) forces. This means you are looking for a compound in which there are no hydrogen bonds and no permanent dipole-dipole interactions.

Both O2 and C4H10 have no permanent dipole-dipole forces or hydrogen bonds (since O2 doesn’t consist of atoms with differing electronegativities and hydrocarbons are nonpolar, as the C-H electronegativity difference is small), but what do you notice about the state symbols for each option?

vdW is id-id, pd-id and pd-pd.

Some exam boards suggested that vdW was only id-id, but they have now seen the error of their ways.
Original post by Pigster
vdW is id-id, pd-id and pd-pd.

Some exam boards suggested that vdW was only id-id, but they have now seen the error of their ways.

I completely agree. I just wasn’t aware that any exam boards had ditched that egregious oversimplification and was working on the assumption that the question required it to be used.

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