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Why is the political left now censorious and authoritarian??

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Original post by SaucissonSecCy
Nah. Yawn. Can't be bothered with the supercilious, sanctimonious and entitled.

Are you going to give examples or do you just want to moan and complain?
Original post by SHallowvale
Are you going to give examples or do you just want to moan and complain?

Nah it's tedious. I'm going to run away. Btw, it's not a fight it's an argument with some extremely uppity and overly cocksure students.
Original post by SaucissonSecCy
Nah it's tedious. I'm going to run away. Btw, it's not a fight it's an argument with some extremely uppity and overly cocksure students.

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Original post by SaucissonSecCy
Sure the topic came to mind because someone was censorious, so what? If it isn't generally true that society has massively changed in this regard you must be very young or living under a rock. Of course it's a general argument. And like I say, tone down the supercilious entitlement please, just proving my point.

So you got moderated on a website after you violated the terms of service you previously agreed to and used that to conclude the left are authoritarian?

This is a bad argument. You were challenged on that and rather than offer a counter position, you got all huffy. How have you got to such a level of maturity that you call others very young yet you don’t seem to understand how a debate works in the adult world?
Original post by Gazpacho.
So you got moderated on a website after you violated the terms of service you previously agreed to and used that to conclude the left are authoritarian?
This is a bad argument. You were challenged on that and rather than offer a counter position, you got all huffy. How have you got to such a level of maturity that you call others very young yet you don’t seem to understand how a debate works in the adult world?

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Original post by Gazpacho.
So you got moderated on a website after you violated the terms of service you previously agreed to and used that to conclude the left are authoritarian?
This is a bad argument. You were challenged on that and rather than offer a counter position, you got all huffy. How have you got to such a level of maturity that you call others very young yet you don’t seem to understand how a debate works in the adult world?

In the new adult world it commonly works within prescribed boundaries and with censorship apparently.
Original post by SaucissonSecCy
In the new adult world it commonly works within prescribed boundaries and with censorship apparently.

If you live in Scotland its off to gulag for you
I can't believe we live in a world where teachers are sacked for 'misgendering', Labour are about to make it a criminal offence with jailtime, old men are arrested in the middle of the night for observing about a Palestinian flag flying from our buildings, Canada has just passed a law for potential life imprisonment for speech crimes, and yet people still deny this stuff is going on. The young are growing up in an Orwellian world, they are conditioned and don't know how things have changed.
Original post by SaucissonSecCy
Nah it's tedious. I'm going to run away. Btw, it's not a fight it's an argument with some extremely uppity and overly cocksure students.

How can you expect to have an honest argument about freedom of speech if you can't even give any examples?

It sounds like you just want an echo chamber.
Original post by SaucissonSecCy
I can't believe we live in a world where teachers are sacked for 'misgendering', Labour are about to make it a criminal offence with jailtime, old men are arrested in the middle of the night for observing about a Palestinian flag flying from our buildings, Canada has just passed a law for potential life imprisonment for speech crimes, and yet people still deny this stuff is going on. The young are growing up in an Orwellian world, they are conditioned and don't know how things have changed.

The teacher you are referring to is Kevin Lister. He was sacked for gross misconduct and rightly lost his subsequent tribunal.

He was employed to teach maths. Rather than focusing on teaching maths, he brought his own political agenda into the classroom and targeted a particular pupil for his political punching bag.

His sacking was not Orwellian, merely a failure on his part to act in the professional manner expected of a teacher. I’m surprised you don’t have enough experience of the workplace to understand this.
Original post by Gazpacho.
The teacher you are referring to is Kevin Lister. He was sacked for gross misconduct and rightly lost his subsequent tribunal.
He was employed to teach maths. Rather than focusing on teaching maths, he brought his own political agenda into the classroom and targeted a particular pupil for his political punching bag.
His sacking was not Orwellian, merely a failure on his part to act in the professional manner expected of a teacher. I’m surprised you don’t have enough experience of the workplace to understand this.

Didn't he Just refuse to call a bird a man?
Original post by SaucissonSecCy
Didn't he Just refuse to call a bird a man?

I’m surprised someone with your strong views about the case is not more informed about the facts of the case.
Original post by StriderHort
I often feel 'tolerant' has become a but twisted, 'tolerance' has got us years and years of Tory decline, 'tolerance' has left us enabling the Trumps of the world.

Sometimes I think you need to... NOT tolerate things, like I'm not about to tolerate TSR members posting that if your skin isn't white you can't be British like a certain OP did last night.

By lack of tolerance I mean not being able to handle difference of opinion or only tolerating stuff that fits your agenda/narrative/party line.

I see a lot of left leaning people (myself included) who can’t handle difference in opinion but then want to brand themselves as “tolerant”. Part of being tolerant mate (not talking to you specifically when I use the term mate) is being able to accept difference in opinion or you aren’t being tolerant at all. You can’t just reject everything that you disagree with (I understand rejecting hateful opinions but you can’t simply reject everything that doesn’t suit your narrative then turn around and say that you’re the tolerant side).

Same thing when I see conservatives say that the “leftist ideology/woke brigade” is interested in identity politics meanwhile I see channels like GBNews and our current government be obsessed with identity politics all the time it seems.

Looks like both sides can’t practice what they preach.
Original post by SaucissonSecCy
Why?? The young generation on the left seem to feel very comfortable with the silencing of unacceptable opinions. Quite disturbing how they don't seem to recall or appreciate that in the previous era, speech was so much freer and this was treasured.

I generally think there are two things to blame here..

1) Probably the biggest current component is cultural fashion. The truth is that there has always been a large number of narrow minded young people who attach themselves to social/political movements and take a militant approach. In the 1930's it was fashionable to hold views that were frankly fasict (that the political parties never bowed to it does not mean it was'nt there), in the 1980's it was fashionable to be a YUPPIE and today its fashionable to be a 'liberal'. In all cases, a bunch of militant primarily young people attached themselves with their narrow minded mentalities. Today is no different.

2) As the Thatcherite consensus has began to break down post Great Recession, the left have come to view inequality as the cause of them not being beneficiaries rather than a symptom. As a result of this, socialist philosophy has decided that equality of outcome in all forms must be enforced as the only answer to racial and gender inequality ect.. and has included more and more social groups. Over time this has also been captured by other militant social groups who wish to destroy things like gender norms.

So it's about 50% just fashionable and that will only pass if left wing governments take power and dissapoint. About 25% the left coming up with the wrong answers but having success in convincing people of this. Finally, about 25% of the right being idiots and not delivering for people.
Reply 34
The Mayor of Brussels has disturbed the public by removing the liberties our forefathers fought and died for in the 1940s, he should therefore be arrested immediately
Also don’t agree with the idea that politic left has become authoritarian, I’ll hand that baton to the right.

Censorious? Ok I can somewhat see where people would be coming from but again I would say the same thing about the right.
Original post by NJA
The Mayor of Brussels has disturbed the public by removing the liberties our forefathers fought and died for in the 1940s, he should therefore be arrested immediately

Did he break the law?

What's interesting is that the right (in this country) want the power to control what the police does, i.e. the same power the mayor of Brussels used. Just as authoritarian.
Reply 37
Original post by Gazpacho.
So you got moderated on a website after you violated the terms of service you previously agreed to and used that to conclude the left are authoritarian?
This is a bad argument. You were challenged on that and rather than offer a counter position, you got all huffy. How have you got to such a level of maturity that you call others very young yet you don’t seem to understand how a debate works in the adult world?

Have you read the terms of service by any chance, or how theyre implemented? Noting that, and then talking about adult debates, dont seem to mesh very well.
Reply 38
Original post by Talkative Toad
Also don’t agree with the idea that politic left has become authoritarian, I’ll hand that baton to the right.
Censorious? Ok I can somewhat see where people would be coming from but again I would say the same thing about the right.

To be honest, they're both as bad as each other.
The left have a nasty habit of legislating anything and everything as hate crimes or otherwise 'deplatforming' anything thats not agreed with. Be it anything gender/race related or the outrageous conduct in universities these days.

The right, to a lesser degree in ones view do similar things, theyre just bigger on angry rants and demanding the government do something for their own ends. Similar topics really, albeit reversed i.e. ending positive discrimination, things relating to the jewish state etc.
Original post by Napp
To be honest, they're both as bad as each other.
The left have a nasty habit of legislating anything and everything as hate crimes or otherwise 'deplatforming' anything thats not agreed with. Be it anything gender/race related or the outrageous conduct in universities these days.

The right, to a lesser degree in ones view do similar things, theyre just bigger on angry rants and demanding the government do something for their own ends. Similar topics really, albeit reversed i.e. ending positive discrimination, things relating to the jewish state etc.

When it comes to being authoritarian I don’t agree, when it comes to being censorious then I can maybe agree.

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