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I think this has a lot to do with what people are used to. If you're young and grew up in an area with a large number of ethnic minorities, you probably won't be as bothered by it as someone who lived in the same area before ethnic minorities became common there.
Personally, I can't say I'm comfortable with the fact that white Britons are a minority in the capital. This is probably because I grew up in an overwhelmingly white British area and so living in a pretty homogeneous and 'samey' community is what feels normal to me. That's not to say I have anything against minorities in general.
As I said, I think young Londoners are far more likely to approve of this news than older generations, mostly due to differing experiences of growing up in London at different points in time.
Personally, I can't say I'm comfortable with the fact that white Britons are a minority in the capital. This is probably because I grew up in an overwhelmingly white British area and so living in a pretty homogeneous and 'samey' community is what feels normal to me. That's not to say I have anything against minorities in general.
As I said, I think young Londoners are far more likely to approve of this news than older generations, mostly due to differing experiences of growing up in London at different points in time.
I have Mediterranean roots , yet when I visited the UK , it just felt weird .... I was expecting to see White people ! Where did the White people go?? What is happening in the UK is called "Forced" integration , and it will fire back sooner or later !
Original post by HandsomeHunter
I have Mediterranean roots , yet when I visited the UK , it just felt weird .... I was expecting to see White people ! Where did the White people go?? What is happening in the UK is called "Forced" integration , and it will fire back sooner or later !
That's an interesting term. Apparently diversity is only second to lack of democracy in predicting civil war* so it seems Britain has had some very immoral or negligent politicians.
Rummel, R. J. (1997). "Is collective violence correlated with social pluralism?" Journal of Peace Research 34(3): 163—176.
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Original post by Chi019
That's an interesting term. Apparently diversity is only second to lack of democracy in predicting civil war* so it seems Britain has had some very immoral or negligent politicians.
Rummel, R. J. (1997). "Is collective violence correlated with social pluralism?" Journal of Peace Research 34(3): 163—176.
Rummel, R. J. (1997). "Is collective violence correlated with social pluralism?" Journal of Peace Research 34(3): 163—176.
I don't have any inherent objection about the race thing.
It's the language thing; I don't want to see British English-speaking culture go down the drown. It, when seen in the context of the global Anglosphere, is clearly the world's superior culture, politically, economically, in terms of human rights etc.
There are far too many third-worlders in London, hocking up their tuberculosis, babbling their strange foreign languages into phones constantly, chewing khat and spitting in the street and selling their smelly food.
I don't care as long as they integrate into British culture. Skin colour is irrelevant
It's the language thing; I don't want to see British English-speaking culture go down the drown. It, when seen in the context of the global Anglosphere, is clearly the world's superior culture, politically, economically, in terms of human rights etc.
There are far too many third-worlders in London, hocking up their tuberculosis, babbling their strange foreign languages into phones constantly, chewing khat and spitting in the street and selling their smelly food.
I don't care as long as they integrate into British culture. Skin colour is irrelevant
Original post by Jprr
I'm white british and live in london and couldn't care less whether i'm a minority or not.
Makes me sick to think of BNP's recent urge to its members to breed a new generation of white children, have 3 or 4 rather than 1.98 which is the average, will just make the jobs/benefits/healthcare/tax/pension age stuff worse with more people around.
People need to stop caring about race. Yes we look different. So what?
Makes me sick to think of BNP's recent urge to its members to breed a new generation of white children, have 3 or 4 rather than 1.98 which is the average, will just make the jobs/benefits/healthcare/tax/pension age stuff worse with more people around.
People need to stop caring about race. Yes we look different. So what?
What about when you are 10% of the population ?
5 per cent ?
Or even 1 per cent ?
Original post by starmonster
I don't have any inherent objection about the race thing.
It's the language thing; I don't want to see British English-speaking culture go down the drown. It, when seen in the context of the global Anglosphere, is clearly the world's superior culture, politically, economically, in terms of human rights etc.
There are far too many third-worlders in London, hocking up their tuberculosis, babbling their strange foreign languages into phones constantly, chewing khat and spitting in the street and selling their smelly food.
I don't care as long as they integrate into British culture. Skin colour is irrelevant
It's the language thing; I don't want to see British English-speaking culture go down the drown. It, when seen in the context of the global Anglosphere, is clearly the world's superior culture, politically, economically, in terms of human rights etc.
There are far too many third-worlders in London, hocking up their tuberculosis, babbling their strange foreign languages into phones constantly, chewing khat and spitting in the street and selling their smelly food.
I don't care as long as they integrate into British culture. Skin colour is irrelevant
All the things you dislike about immigrants could be applied to white people.
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Original post by effofex
It has happened to ethnic Maharashtrians in Mumbai.
It has happened to ethnic Emiratis in Dubai.
It has (nearly) happened to ethnic Dutch in Amsterdam.
It has happened to ethnic Emiratis in Dubai.
It has (nearly) happened to ethnic Dutch in Amsterdam.
It has happened to the Palestinians.
It has happened to Serbs.
Original post by democracyforum
It has happened to the Palestinians.
It has happened to Serbs.
It has happened to Serbs.
Interesting to note that whilst there was violence in Palestine and in Serbia, it has been relatively minimal in the Emirates, in Amsterdam and in Mumbai. When there is violence in these places, it doesn't often tend to be ethnicity-related either (more often drug-related in Mumbai and in Amsterdam).
Original post by democracyforum
What about when you are 10% of the population ?
5 per cent ?
Or even 1 per cent ?
5 per cent ?
Or even 1 per cent ?
You're a member of the population. A member of the human race. A member of the same species as every white, black, asian whatever, we're ALL THE SAME.
Who really cares unless you're that unsure of who you are you need statistics to back your sense of up?
Happening in all parts of Bristol now. The English are definetly a minority in the city centre.
Original post by Jprr
You're a member of the population. A member of the human race. A member of the same species as every white, black, asian whatever, we're ALL THE SAME.
Who really cares unless you're that unsure of who you are you need statistics to back your sense of up?
Who really cares unless you're that unsure of who you are you need statistics to back your sense of up?
You're applying reason to an issue in which you can't just ruthlessly apply logic. Yes, everyone is human, but to suggest that everyone is the same is insanely simplistic. People are generally ethnically sensitive, they always have been and I think they always will be. People often feel comfortable around those of their own ethnicity because they have a common history and generally similar cultural values. When they feel that other cultures are infiltrating their societies, they naturally feel resentful and alienated. In effect, they feel like a stranger in their own country. I don't see why that is something to be embraced.
Original post by heshop
You're applying reason to an issue in which you can't just ruthlessly apply logic. Yes, everyone is human, but to suggest that everyone is the same is insanely simplistic. People are generally ethnically sensitive, they always have been and I think they always will be. People often feel comfortable around those of their own ethnicity because they have a common history and generally similar cultural values. When they feel that other cultures are infiltrating their societies, they naturally feel resentful and alienated. In effect, they feel like a stranger in their own country. I don't see why that is something to be embraced.
Hmm. Interesting point. However, when we asked all the Caribbean people, Indian people, Australian people, and damnit, any Commonwealth resident people to come over post WW2 to rebuild, did we get any sense of alienation?
No, because we needed their help. We colonised them, so we have a shared history, whether you like it or not. We kinda screwed over their countries, so surely at least some should be allowed to feel welcome in a land which shares a remarkably similar history (and with the chicken korma being the British dish, and tea being our drink, seems a partly shared culture with India at least), we should embrace these people as what they are, humans. If you feel a stranger in your own country because there are people of a different colour to you, then please grow up.
People are different.
If a white muslim walked past you in the street, would you say you have a more different culture with him than a 3 or 4th generation Caribbean immigrant who came over to rebuild this country in our time of need? From what you're talking about, I would guess you would have more of a problem with the 3/4th generation Caribbean immigrant, who, for most purposes, has probably a much more similar culture.
Skin colour does not determine culture, personality, history or values, globalisation has brought us closer together, and with us being a colonising nation, we have many cultural and historical links with countries around the globe, so that cannot be your reason for detesting multiculturalism.
Original post by Jprr
Hmm. Interesting point. However, when we asked all the Caribbean people, Indian people, Australian people, and damnit, any Commonwealth resident people to come over post WW2 to rebuild, did we get any sense of alienation?
No, because we needed their help. We colonised them, so we have a shared history, whether you like it or not. We kinda screwed over their countries, so surely at least some should be allowed to feel welcome in a land which shares a remarkably similar history (and with the chicken korma being the British dish, and tea being our drink, seems a partly shared culture with India at least), we should embrace these people as what they are, humans. If you feel a stranger in your own country because there are people of a different colour to you, then please grow up.
People are different.
If a white muslim walked past you in the street, would you say you have a more different culture with him than a 3 or 4th generation Caribbean immigrant who came over to rebuild this country in our time of need? From what you're talking about, I would guess you would have more of a problem with the 3/4th generation Caribbean immigrant, who, for most purposes, has probably a much more similar culture.
Skin colour does not determine culture, personality, history or values, globalisation has brought us closer together, and with us being a colonising nation, we have many cultural and historical links with countries around the globe, so that cannot be your reason for detesting multiculturalism.
No, because we needed their help. We colonised them, so we have a shared history, whether you like it or not. We kinda screwed over their countries, so surely at least some should be allowed to feel welcome in a land which shares a remarkably similar history (and with the chicken korma being the British dish, and tea being our drink, seems a partly shared culture with India at least), we should embrace these people as what they are, humans. If you feel a stranger in your own country because there are people of a different colour to you, then please grow up.
People are different.
If a white muslim walked past you in the street, would you say you have a more different culture with him than a 3 or 4th generation Caribbean immigrant who came over to rebuild this country in our time of need? From what you're talking about, I would guess you would have more of a problem with the 3/4th generation Caribbean immigrant, who, for most purposes, has probably a much more similar culture.
Skin colour does not determine culture, personality, history or values, globalisation has brought us closer together, and with us being a colonising nation, we have many cultural and historical links with countries around the globe, so that cannot be your reason for detesting multiculturalism.
Firstly, I said ethnicity, not skin colour. There is a difference.
"Ethnicity: the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition."
Secondly, those immigrants after World War Two still made up a very small minority of the population initially. In this day and age, non-British culture is becoming increasingly dominant in many parts of the country. We have passed the threshold of tolerance.
Thirdly, I agree that British Imperialism was a terrible thing, especially because I detest, as I have previously stated, any culture imposing itself on another. However, that was a long time ago. People alive in Britian today were not involved in empire building and we therefore have no responsibility to anyone in that regard.
Fourthly, the fact is that globalisation had done little to soften the blow. I live in Manchester. There are parts of Manchester dominated by Asian people. Those people are for the most part very different culturally to native Britons. That is a fact. Denying it or suggesting that Asian culture has somehow enriched the lives of native people is ridiculous because you only need to go to some parts of Rusholme to see the divisions and tensions caused by mass immigration.
And finally (sorry to bore you), I do not have a problem with any race, so long as they conform to the native culture. However, when mass immigration takes place, it is all too tempting for ethnic groups to segregate themselves and divide the population. I think immigration could have been beneficial for the UK both culturally and economically, so long as it had been controlled at a much lower level than has been witnessed in previous decades as it has only served to damage our national identity. I have a good friend who is a Hungarian immigrant who, when debating the issue, often quotes the old saying, 'when in Rome, do as the Romans do'.
Original post by Jprr
Those who are moving out are doing so because they would prefer to live in the leafy suburbs and commute in. The white brits, in general, earn way more than any other ethnicities and so can afford this luxury, whereas the other ethnicities may find that a little more difficult due to lower pay in general.
Fair point. But on average, ethnic minorities pay in more than they take out than us white brits, so I think they have a little more leway. Though I agree that all parents need to think about the wider implications of their child numbers rising above 2, maybe a stretch to 3.
Fair point. But on average, ethnic minorities pay in more than they take out than us white brits, so I think they have a little more leway. Though I agree that all parents need to think about the wider implications of their child numbers rising above 2, maybe a stretch to 3.
You can taste the socialist brainwashing.
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