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Has immigration brought more homophobia to Britain?

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Original post by Martyn*
I would say yes having worked with people from Poland in the past. They are usually Catholic and view homosexuality as 'sinful'.


I'm Polish and I cannot accept such generalization.

As in every nation, "... mankind is divided into three classes: Those that are immovable, those that are movable, and those that move" - quite frankly, you have worked with the scum of Poland. Consider their British counterparts; they are likely to share the similar, simple minded worldview.
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Original post by MagicNMedicine
Well Britain is a tolerant country and accepts people whatever their sexual preferences.

So if these immigrants can't handle gay marriage they can feck off back to bongobongohomophobeistan.


Never thought I'd see you finally make a reasoned post like this.
Original post by InvestmentBankin
I'm Polish and I cannot accept such generalization.

As in every nation, "... mankind is divided into three classes: Those that are immovable, those that are movable, and those that move" - quite frankly, you have worked with the scum of Poland. Consider their British counterparts; they are likely to share the similar, simple minded worldview.


So the bottom line of your argument is basically that chavs of every country are stupid, inferior, not allowed to have an opinion and the bourgeois classes of the world should dress like you and make fun of them?

F**k you. Toff and a parasite.

Also, my country is pretty much conservative on these issues but immigration influx into UK isn't significant at all
Reply 23
Tey tuk owa gays!
British in generally abide in public the PC restrictions, which most "immigrants" (who have an issue with homosexaulity) seem to not regard, so are more blunt and honest with their views on homosexuality, than the average white British person (regardless of religious affiliations or not), because of this.

"Homophobic" terms in this country originated mainly from the British, "immigrants" are no more or no less "homophobic" than the average white British person.

P.S. What do you classify as immigrant and British?..because I am not white, but born and bred in London, so I am British. So the question I find hard to understand.
Do you mean non-white british plus non-British white people when you refer to immigrant, the word is thrown around so loosely I am not sure...:confused:
Original post by WalkingTolerance
So the bottom line of your argument is basically that chavs of every country are stupid, inferior, not allowed to have an opinion and the bourgeois classes of the world should dress like you and make fun of them?

F**k you. Toff and a parasite.

Also, my country is pretty much conservative on these issues but immigration influx into UK isn't significant at all


You don't have to be so aggressive and militant. This is the primary reason as to why many are simply afraid of expressing their opinions freely in societal debates. This apprehension harms the discussion process and its original object by causing unpleasant atmosphere.

We would now need to engage in philosophical debates around human relations and the concept of social contract but we seem to adapt too distant stance on these issues.

You may accuse me of being utopian, but I believe in every country there are winners and there are losers - that is the bottom line of my argument. If you prefer to decorate it with Marxist terminology it's fine, but don't declare class war on me at the end.

If Argentina is your homeland, so far as I'm concerned it is rather liberal nowadays.

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Original post by Martyn*
I would say yes having worked with people from Poland in the past. They are usually Catholic and view homosexuality as 'sinful'. I think that a lot of people in the UK are homophobic even those who say they are not homophobic are, to a lesser extent, homophobic. But when foreign people come here to live and work they know that there are gay people here, and they must know that the West has a greater acceptance of homosexuality than most countries around the world.

Politicians believe that as people come here they will come to accept the culture, they will intergrate and be tolerant. Why they believe this I have no idea. Then again politicians do not live in the real world as we all know.


I have negged you Martyn although I usually agree with many of your views. This is a rare occasion as I don't usually neg people.

Of course this action has a bias, and let me explain why. I am of Polish-Jewish origin and I am entirely conscious about its meaning.

Poland has probably one of the earliest and the most spectacular history of cosmopolitanism, multiculturalism and tolerance. As Prussian general von Moltke said it has been the most civilized country of 15th century Europe. I would say he exaggerated a little bit, as I would say it all began within the second half of 16th century - 1569. This way of life has been preserved so that up to 19th century Rzeczpospolita was made up of only 60% Poles living next to 10% Baltic peoples, 5% Germans, 5% Jews, 5% Scandinavians and the remaining percentage consisted of Greeks escaping Ottoman occupation, Ottomans themselves, and various Austro-Hungarian peoples.

Speaking of Catholicism, Poland was in fact the reason why Prussia was allowed to become Protestant nation.

Prior to WWII, Poland had a bigger Jewish population than the present-day Israel. My city of origin: Lodz (name comes from Yiddish) had 1/3 Jewish population. In comparison, I'll add that Poles don't even make up 1% of UK's population. In interwar period Poland every 11th/12th person witnessed in Poland was of Jewish origin - this is perhaps unimaginable scene to many of us reading this on the streets of modern Britain. 90% of Poland's Jewish population has been murdered during the holocaust, but I happen to be the offspring of surviving 10% thanks to Christian [and irreligious] Poles.

Most importantly, the present-day Poles are just as tolerant. Radical exceptions should not cast shadow over this magnificent people. I have experienced anti-Semitism personally in the UK when coming to study from Israel; yet I know that [extremely exaggerated I hope] number of 1 million anti-Semites of UK should not blind me to remaining 61 million tolerant citizens.
Original post by Evie Ninnenbaum
I have negged you Martyn although I usually agree with many of your views. This is a rare occasion as I don't usually neg people.

Of course this action has a bias, and let me explain why. I am of Polish-Jewish origin and I am entirely conscious about its meaning.

Poland has probably one of the earliest and the most spectacular history of cosmopolitanism, multiculturalism and tolerance. As Prussian general von Moltke said it has been the most civilized country of 15th century Europe. I would say he exaggerated a little bit, as I would say it all began within the second half of 16th century - 1569. This way of life has been preserved so that up to 19th century Rzeczpospolita was made up of only 60% Poles living next to 10% Baltic peoples, 5% Germans, 5% Jews, 5% Scandinavians and the remaining percentage consisted of Greeks escaping Ottoman occupation, Ottomans themselves, and various Austro-Hungarian peoples.

Speaking of Catholicism, Poland was in fact the reason why Prussia was allowed to become Protestant nation.

Prior to WWII, Poland had a bigger Jewish population than the present-day Israel. My city of origin: Lodz (name comes from Yiddish) had 1/3 Jewish population. In comparison, I'll add that Poles don't even make up 1% of UK's population. In interwar period Poland every 11th/12th person witnessed in Poland was of Jewish origin - this is perhaps unimaginable scene to many of us reading this on the streets of modern Britain. 90% of Poland's Jewish population has been murdered during the holocaust, but I happen to be the offspring of surviving 10% thanks to Christian [and irreligious] Poles.

Most importantly, the present-day Poles are just as tolerant. Radical exceptions should not cast shadow over this magnificent people. I have experienced anti-Semitism personally in the UK when coming to study from Israel; yet I know that [extremely exaggerated I hope] number of 1 million anti-Semites of UK should not blind me to remaining 61 million tolerant citizens.


History is so confusing. By the way, how tall was Benjamin Disraeli? Thanks.
Original post by kevin6767
Yes. It has brought racism of standard we haven't seen since the 50's and even then it is probably worse. I worked in an office of a power station in York very recently and Polish immigrants refused to work with black and Asian people. It was an absolute nightmare to deal with. When they were building the polish guys would purposefully drop materials down black and Asian people and tell the "apes" to run. The company refused to get rid of them because they classed themselves as self employed. T that means you can pay them the set feehey charge and not have to worry about taxes and so on because the responsibility is the workers. Normally they take it as cash in hand and don't bother going through accounts. They can then disappear for a bit and find another job and the inland revenue never gets a cut. Welcome to modern Britain.


Thanks Kevin6767 for finding perhaps the most heinous example to illustrate the point I was making above.

I'm Polish and these people are the scum of my country which will be better off without them. I'm not making a big deal out of it - Britain is even more efficient in mass-production of scum - the difference is that Poland doesn't provide benefits and social houses for them so they need to work in power stations because otherwise they would starve.
Original post by Martyn*
I would say yes having worked with people from Poland in the past. They are usually Catholic and view homosexuality as 'sinful'. I think that a lot of people in the UK are homophobic even those who say they are not homophobic are, to a lesser extent, homophobic. But when foreign people come here to live and work they know that there are gay people here, and they must know that the West has a greater acceptance of homosexuality than most countries around the world.

Politicians believe that as people come here they will come to accept the culture, they will intergrate and be tolerant. Why they believe this I have no idea. Then again politicians do not live in the real world as we all know.


You have the picture of Nietzsche - a man who regarded himself a "Polish nobleman" and the Poles themselves as Übermensch in Thus Spoke Zarathustra.The irony.
Absolutely. Of course it's a generalisation but that doesn't mean it's not true that many immigrants are homophobic. It can be because of their religion or culture or both. Of course some immigrants are not at all homophobic and some English people are. But it's foolish to deny that a large percentage of immigrants are homophobic.
Original post by InvestmentBankin
Thanks Kevin6767 for finding perhaps the most heinous example to illustrate the point I was making above.

I'm Polish and these people are the scum of my country which will be better off without them. I'm not making a big deal out of it - Britain is even more efficient in mass-production of scum - the difference is that Poland doesn't provide benefits and social houses for them so they need to work in power stations because otherwise they would starve.


I hate to say this, but it is quite true.

It's like letting the British "chavs" go abroad and allow the natives to make generalisations about the Britons.

There's no difference.
Original post by EvilOfficer
I hate to say this, but it is quite true.

It's like letting the British "chavs" go abroad and allow the natives to make generalisations about the Britons.

There's no difference.


Pierwszy raz się zgadzasz ze mną!
Original post by Martyn*
I would say yes having worked with people from Poland in the past. They are usually Catholic and view homosexuality as 'sinful'. I think that a lot of people in the UK are homophobic even those who say they are not homophobic are, to a lesser extent, homophobic. But when foreign people come here to live and work they know that there are gay people here, and they must know that the West has a greater acceptance of homosexuality than most countries around the world.

Politicians believe that as people come here they will come to accept the culture, they will intergrate and be tolerant. Why they believe this I have no idea. Then again politicians do not live in the real world as we all know.


I have repped you because of this. Just symbolic - I don't have any rep power.

You destroy the rest of your comment starting with the following sentence. To some extent, this is a contradiction.
Original post by Hermann Göring
To all the Poles in this thread,

I want to make sure you read what I have to say about the matter because I'm so very important on TSR.

First of all, I'm bitterly disappointed with you! I was fascinated by Poles because they were the last modern EU society to remain European by openly opposing suicidal measures inflicted upon our nations.

This is a regress not progress by any standards to the ethnic identity of Europeans and destruction of civilization that once ruled the modern world! I urge you not to follow the same pattern alongside your fastly growing economy. Do not make a regress

Second of all, you bourgeois intellectuals of this thread are in fact TRAITORS and backstabbers.

Lastly, and let me make that explicit - I'm not an expert on Polish history, but I am aware of three important events of great importance to white man:
In 13th century you stopped the Asian horde of Mongols advancing to our continent. In 17th century you scattered the Turkish armies at Vienna and in 20th century you kicked the Bolshevik assess back to Moscow. Do you now want to invite them back in?

I'm with you all the way, but kurwa don't play this suicidal multicultural, tolerant crap

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Well as I said previously, Sweden can be quite racist and conservative also if that's what you like.
Original post by HostileBitch
Well as I said previously, Sweden can be quite racist and conservative also if that's what you like.


Sweden; no more.

There was once a country with beautiful women and socialism that is under the occupation of Islamists.
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Original post by Evie Ninnenbaum
I have negged you Martyn although I usually agree with many of your views. This is a rare occasion as I don't usually neg people.

Of course this action has a bias, and let me explain why. I am of Polish-Jewish origin and I am entirely conscious about its meaning.

Poland has probably one of the earliest and the most spectacular history of cosmopolitanism, multiculturalism and tolerance. As Prussian general von Moltke said it has been the most civilized country of 15th century Europe. I would say he exaggerated a little bit, as I would say it all began within the second half of 16th century - 1569. This way of life has been preserved so that up to 19th century Rzeczpospolita was made up of only 60% Poles living next to 10% Baltic peoples, 5% Germans, 5% Jews, 5% Scandinavians and the remaining percentage consisted of Greeks escaping Ottoman occupation, Ottomans themselves, and various Austro-Hungarian peoples.

Speaking of Catholicism, Poland was in fact the reason why Prussia was allowed to become Protestant nation.

Prior to WWII, Poland had a bigger Jewish population than the present-day Israel. My city of origin: Lodz (name comes from Yiddish) had 1/3 Jewish population. In comparison, I'll add that Poles don't even make up 1% of UK's population. In interwar period Poland every 11th/12th person witnessed in Poland was of Jewish origin - this is perhaps unimaginable scene to many of us reading this on the streets of modern Britain. 90% of Poland's Jewish population has been murdered during the holocaust, but I happen to be the offspring of surviving 10% thanks to Christian [and irreligious] Poles.

Most importantly, the present-day Poles are just as tolerant. Radical exceptions should not cast shadow over this magnificent people. I have experienced anti-Semitism personally in the UK when coming to study from Israel; yet I know that [extremely exaggerated I hope] number of 1 million anti-Semites of UK should not blind me to remaining 61 million tolerant citizens.


Hi Evie, This is truly impressive. My name's Adam and I'm coming to Oxford for MEng really soon. I'll PM you if I may.
Original post by Hermann Göring
To all the Poles in this thread,

I want to make sure you read what I have to say about the matter because I'm so very important on TSR.

First of all, I'm bitterly disappointed with you! I was fascinated by Poles because they were the last modern EU society to remain European by openly opposing suicidal measures inflicted upon our nations.

This is a regress not progress by any standards to the ethnic identity of Europeans and destruction of civilization that once ruled the modern world! I urge you not to follow the same pattern alongside your fastly growing economy. Do not make a regress

Second of all, you bourgeois intellectuals of this thread are in fact TRAITORS and backstabbers.

Lastly, and let me make that explicit - I'm not an expert on Polish history, but I am aware of three important events of great importance to white man:
In 13th century you stopped the Asian horde of Mongols advancing to our continent. In 17th century you scattered the Turkish armies at Vienna and in 20th century you kicked the Bolshevik assess back to Moscow. Do you now want to invite them back in?

I'm with you all the way, but kurwa don't play this suicidal multicultural, tolerant crap

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Dude are you insane? Even if your points are valid; the concept of validity is an entirely subjective matter, but even the way in which you structure and develop your argument suggests an insanity. This is genuine, not a foolish insult, you should consider getting professional support.
Original post by EvilOfficer
I hate to say this, but it is quite true.

It's like letting the British "chavs" go abroad and allow the natives to make generalisations about the Britons.

There's no difference.


Good point.
Guys you talk about Sweden, you talk about Poland, but in neither of these countries or indeed the UK would there be a 100k anti-homosexual riot as there was in France.

My country that carries the motto of liberty, equality, fraternity across the world is in fact vastly more homophobic than all yours put together.
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Original post by Swanbow
Well homophobia is rife in the Caribbean and people of West Indies descent in the United Kingdom still do hold a degree of hostility to homosexuals and even gave us the phrase 'battyboy'. Of course as immigrants become more integrated these old fashioned views do seem to go away.

The irony is that they are homophobic because they were taught to be so by British colonial rulers. Therefore in a way you could say that the United Kingdom gave Jamaica the phrase "battyboy".

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