Feminist

Do you still think the world is still a feminist place towards women.

I think they are even though some do it scarcely and secretly some women and men still think the woman's job is at home. Women today are degrading themselves by being unmarked and sexually involved in Menander that makes men think women are like dolls and dumb and that we can be taken advantage of.

Still a feminist place? No I don't think so, women haven't even had the same rights as men to vote in the UK for 100 years.

Women are not 'degrading' themselves by having sex, are you suggesting sex is degrading? Or is it only degrading to women? Would you say the same about men? Also I have no idea what Menander is please enlighten me. Having sex does not make you 'dumb', providing it is consensual and protected sex you are in control of your sexuality, which makes you anything but 'dumb'.

Really now? All men got the vote in 1918... the same year as the first women gained the vote. All women where allowed to voted in 1928... so in effect they gained the same rights as men only 10 years after all men got the vote.

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Still a feminist place? No I don't think so, women haven't even had the same rights as men to vote in the UK for 100 years.

Women are not 'degrading' themselves by having sex, are you suggesting sex is degrading? Or is it only degrading to women? Would you say the same about men? Also I have no idea what Menander is please enlighten me. Having sex does not make you 'dumb', providing it is consensual and protected sex you are in control of your sexuality, which makes you anything but 'dumb'.

Feminist logic in action:

> In the early twentieth century, there was a 10 year gap between all men and all women having the vote.

> Today, we live in an unequal society.

I didn't mean it like that, I meant women are selling the selfs short to men like those being prostitutes and stuff, that's what I mean by men thinking they can take advantage of women. I didn't mean it in anyway to come across as rude.

The problem with this is that men usually apply in greater numbers and I daresay are often better suited to higher paying jobs than women. This is especially true in the House of Commons where in recent years there have been calls for more female MPs. Because far, far more men than women stand to become MPs, there are now proportionately fewer men than women chosen to stand relative to how many 'applied' in the first place - your strange conception of 'equality' in action. This culminated in the innovation of the 'all-female shortlist', in which only women were allowed to be selected to stand in MP selections to give them an artificial advantage against men, surely the most patronising act against women in recent years.

The fact that women receive in general lower salaries than men =/= women having fewer opportunities to attain the same salaries as men, minus what nature has pre-decided in many individual cases. It is more probably because they perform less well in top-paying jobs, many of which demand strong leadership qualities, which men as a gender are pre-disposed to have more of than women - than because of any societal vendetta against the female species.

Of course, this minor hiccup is usually completely ignored by the feminist movement, such as in that study that was conducted by some of their number a while back which compared women working part-time with men working full-time in the same industry. Again with the insulting artificial advantages.

How would you feel about a woman who performed better than a man in a certain job being paid the same as the man, regardless of her superior qualities? We shouldn't try to engineer society so that women are automatically paid as much as their male counterparts. It's actually quite insulting towards those women. In the instances where men are paid more than women it is almost certainly because they are better at their jobs, just as women who are paid more than their male counterparts are because they are better.

Equality for equality's sake in this area is not a desirable aim. It is an artificial raising up of inferior workers. Meritocracy is far more sensible, where deserving workers are rewarded equally. Basing pay on gender is asinine and patronising towards those men and women who aren't as beneficial as others.

Women have been unequally treated for hundreds of years, just take a look around you to see the inequality today. Of course things have improved since women have been granted the vote but we still do not live in an equal society. If you need me to explain why I'll be happy to tell you some of my 'feminist logic'.

Don't worry bro. I'm sure that Feminists are working around the clock to try to bring an equal society to a national socialist state.

This is a very interesting post, but with regards to the last comment, a meritocracy is the whole point of feminism.

Anyway, the points you have raised have been valid - but you have to think again, who created this kind of society? Who runs it?

Well, currently, psychopaths are more likely than normal people to become successful at the highly regarded jobs in this society. Statistically speaking, men are a lot more likely than women to have psychopathic traits, so it isn't surprising that business is male-dominated.

But perhaps we should think twice about the fact that someone who lacks empathy is given such an important, influential role.

Also, when you think about it, throughout history men have been dominant. I'm guessing men like being dominant because of hormones etc. So come to today's society, you'll find that it has been founded by men; and of course it will be biased, subconsciously, towards male success/the success of 'male' traits.

Perhaps society needs to change fundamentally if woman truly want an equal chance at success.

Concerning underlining point.... you would think so wouldn't you?

Maternity leave is a controversial topic to say the least, but in a meritocracy a woman would not be paid for such things, Aka those who work more get more.

Feminist's constantly complain about the pay gap, while failing to take not of things such a leave or total hours worked.

It's given rise to positive discrimination which in itself is a ridiculous concept. I believe giving everyone the same starting block and giving anyone legal rights based on their genitalia is outrageous.

Feminist's like to argue when men get bonuses in the legal system is sexist and patriarchal, when it's womens legal rights it's empowerment and protecting them from men... you cannot have it both ways in an 'equal' society.

Women have been unequally treated for hundreds of years, just take a look around you to see the inequality today. Of course things have improved since women have been granted the vote but we still do not live in an equal society. If you need me to explain why I'll be happy to tell you some of my 'feminist logic'.




You didn't come across as rude just a bit narrow minded maybe. It's not fair to degrade prostitutes either, who aren't going about their work to cause a gender equality problem. You can have to consider people may be forced into sex work/have to do it support themselves/or chose to do it, which is fair enough as no one should judge anyone else how they use their bodies; just because someone may not be comfortable with the idea of doing sex work themselves doesn't mean that another person won't be fine with it.

Why this 'feminism movement' is taken seriously, I'll never know.

Maybe it's because feminism is about equality between the genders, whether you're a male, female or other. Sorry if you don't believe in equality and that it should be taken seriously.


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Incorrect, Feminism in itself is about equability (and that's rather subjective). Let's take labour markets.. Women say are (on average) less paid than men.. let's ask why? Gender discrimination? (possibly correct) reasoning: Women are (on average) more likely to take leave (be it maternity, frictional unemployment), women have statistically a lower marginal rate of productivity and are less likely to get promoted to higher positions than men.

What you advocate is that Women have more jobs in say executive positions, regardless of whether or not they are the most suitable candidate. That's not equality, that's positive discrimination and goes against your supposed mission statement. If you advocate equality, then shouldn't employers have the right to choose who would be best suited for the job, regardless of intervining prejudices. Neo-liberalists would argue the free-market works in the public interest and if women are becoming more suitable and dominant ideologies are changing, they would attain such roles (and pay rises). From when you say Women 'deserve' higher roles or whatever else it is that women demand it becomes inequality and rather favouritism.

It's not fair that a woman should be favoured over a man because there's higher unemployment statistics for women than men. Rather all necessary factors should be taken into consideration and a judgement made on the suitability of the a workplace given their ethics. It's only fair that an employer decides.. if you don't like it, move on. The social construct of society gives dominance to men because both historically and currently men are (on average) more productive/innovative. Not because everyone has a hate for women, rather women (on average) aren't as good as men at certain things. Women & Men are good at different things sometimes and it's only fair their merits should be acknowledged rather than split everything 50/50 as that's no help to anyone but women (and that is inequality).

tl;dr: feminism doesn't advocate equality, rather discrimination in your favour. It only advocates equity (in terms of your subjective analysis). Your reasoning may possibly be hatred for how women are usually considered as having lesser influence than men.

. But the money they earn per hour should work out to be the same. The problem is that isn't always the case.

Ok but now I don't understand how some women don't agree with feminism because today in DT we were seeing and when a girl didn't know what to do all the boys would laugh and start saying that she's a girl she should know how to do it, it's her job. Later on she came to me saying she didn't understand why I was a feminist, I just wanna understand how some women can be ok with men and boys being sexist to them.