Do you look down on men who pay for sex ?
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Original post by AdampskiB
The most objective post in this thread, you seem so level headed about it. If that makes any sense?
There's no point looking down on people or discouraging paid sex. It's ALWAYS going to happen, they do call it the oldest profession. I'd really like to see it regulated so prossies and their clients are protected. There would also be no need for pimps or brothel owners if paid sex became legally regulated. Believe it or not all a lot of women go into prostitution out of free choice, if they aren't educated and not very intellectually able they don't have many options in life. They can either work for £6.31 an hour or sell their services for 100-150 a time and have a lot of free time, some students even do it so they can supplement their student income.
Yes prostitution can be dangerous but if it was legalised and women were allowed to work together it would make it a lot less dangerous. Some men can't get sex if they are disabled etc or just don't want a relationship if their are ladies out there who will offer their services to them in a happy environment for a fee then it's a win win
I'd call myself a feminist which means supporting women's choices if they wish to become prostitutes and are happy about then who am I to judge?
OP there's a huge site that allows you type in your postcode and search for service providers in your area, their likes list, prices and you can filter by age, dress size , boob size etc.
Yes sex trafficking does exist but on a much smaller scale than we think. If prostitution was regulated the sex traffickers would be put out of business, if prostitution becomes criminalised then it becomes more dangerous. Not all women are forced into prostitution a documentary showed a prossie the other day who lived in a nice apartment and had made 90k alone in the past two years just from webcamming she had she had managed to make 2500 a week on top from being an escort. They asked her if she was "forced" she said no she was using her body to get money and she had no other qualifications and she wasn't very bright academically, she either had a choice to work in a supermarket on min wage or work a few hours a day and make loads more. If she wants to do it and is happy then whos to stop her? I personally couldn't do it but it's up to her isn't it? Free will and all that,
Yep. Exercise some self-control, you're just going to make yourself feel miserable.
Original post by toonervoustotalk
Every man pays for sex in one way or another. You buy her a drink and then you take her home. You still paid for sex. You took her out to a fancy dinner and you paid the bill then you took her home. You still paid for sex.
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Nail on the head.
Original post by OrlaCarmel
I can see why you think this, but actually, this sadly isn't true:
Depends on what you mean by "not true".
75% of women involved in prostitution started as children.
74% of women cite poverty as the primary motivator for entering prostitution (Melrose 2002).
If you read Melrose, it is not really a study based in any contemporary reality, and contains many many contradictions. For example, it states that many women aim to earn £100 a night, seeing on average four clients. Even 10 years ago, that bore little resemblance to reality. Today, in London, a prostitute would look to earn that in half an hour with one client.
Melrose also states that an attitude displayed by many interviewees was that they were not willing to work for less in the conventional labour market. They did not want to work a full day at minimum wage, when they could earn many times that in a much shorter space of time.
I can see why you think this, but actually, this sadly isn't true:
Depends on what you mean by "not true".
A global study of prostitution found that 9 out of 10 women in prostitution would like to exit if they could (Farley, 2003)
Firstly, this is a global study - which is exactly what I said - it's to do with the environment. Many of the countries which Farley researched in (Columbia, Mexico, South Africa, Thailand) have shocking conditions for many kinds of workers, who would exit their own jobs if they could.
Secondly, come to the UK and ask everyone no matter what their job, and I would guess that 6/10 of them would say that they would leave their jobs if they could.
Firstly, this is a global study - which is exactly what I said - it's to do with the environment. Many of the countries which Farley researched in (Columbia, Mexico, South Africa, Thailand) have shocking conditions for many kinds of workers, who would exit their own jobs if they could.
Secondly, come to the UK and ask everyone no matter what their job, and I would guess that 6/10 of them would say that they would leave their jobs if they could.
74% of women cite poverty as the primary motivator for entering prostitution (Melrose 2002).
If you read Melrose, it is not really a study based in any contemporary reality, and contains many many contradictions. For example, it states that many women aim to earn £100 a night, seeing on average four clients. Even 10 years ago, that bore little resemblance to reality. Today, in London, a prostitute would look to earn that in half an hour with one client.
Melrose also states that an attitude displayed by many interviewees was that they were not willing to work for less in the conventional labour market. They did not want to work a full day at minimum wage, when they could earn many times that in a much shorter space of time.
Up to 70% of women in prostitution spent time in care, 45% report sexual abuse and 85% physical abuse within their families (Home Office 2006).
Up to 95% of women in prostitution are problematic drug users, including around 78% heroin users and rising numbers of crack cocaine addicts (Home Office 2004a).
More than half of UK women in prostitution have been raped and/or seriously sexually assaulted. At least three quarters have been physically assaulted (Home Office 2004b).
Up to 95% of women in prostitution are problematic drug users, including around 78% heroin users and rising numbers of crack cocaine addicts (Home Office 2004a).
More than half of UK women in prostitution have been raped and/or seriously sexually assaulted. At least three quarters have been physically assaulted (Home Office 2004b).
Most of these stats come from the unfortunately named Home Office Research Study (HORS - not a joke) "Tackling Street Prostitution".
Firstly, some of the data is very old - some of it collated probably before you were born.
Secondly, the data is self-selecting. It comes chiefly from interviews carried out with arrested street prostitutes. This is not a reliable sample. Not only is this a small and shrinking part of the industry, but also extremely unrepresentative.
Today, the professional sex worker is likely to be either a self-employed woman working from her own flat, and never soliciting on the street. Almost all trade would be garnered from online sources, and she would look to charge from £70 upward for a half hour at the low end, and £250 per hour at the higher end. For the low-to-average market.
Alternatively, she may be working for an agency or as a dependent entrepreneur in a flat - for whatever terms she comes to with the employer in exchange for security and the lack of necessity for her own premises.
At the high end, rates could be extremely high, even typical workers might expect to be offered holiday work once in a while (going on holiday with a client - all expenses paid plus a typical fee of £5000).
I'm not saying it's a bed of roses, but what I am saying is that it's not what it is made out to be, and a lot of the stats and headlines refer to specific parts of the industry, or are very outdated. I would expect that the typical member of TSR thinks that a prostitute is a woman in fishnet tights walking the streets of Soho, or working out of a filthy flat illuminated by a red-tinted lightbulb. I would contend that is as outdated as the image of all doctors wearing white coats, bow tie and having one of those reflecting discs on their heads.
Finally - on trafficking, whilst I am sure it exists - this is modern slavery like any other - and is very much a completely separate issue, and I believe quite a small (if extremely grave) problem. Free movement of labour in the EU and succession countries effectively destroyed this as a widespread issue in the UK.
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Logically, assuming everyone's getting what they want from the transaction and nobody feels they have been exploited (is such a circumstance possible?) then no, I guess the answer is no. In reality however, the answer is yes. Yes I do. And yes, I would completely dump someone even if I were serious about them if I found out this was in their history, even if it had been years ago. That's just my opinion and perhaps it is unenlightened, but I'll bet that in actuality it is the opinion of a helluva lot of people!! 
Original post by vickidc18
I think you would find it hard paying for sex frequently if you're a student it's about 100-150 per hour most prossies don't do "quickies" and they charge like 80ph for half an hours sex. So if you want to have sex weekly thats about £400 a month, I think getting a F*** buddy would be cheaper.
If you want to go for it you need to find a prossie who entertains younger clients, most prossies would rather go with a 50/60 year old man than a 21 year old student. I know your thinking what what woman would prefer a 50/60 year old man but it's true and simply a part of their business model. The prossie views it a business transaction A 21 year old man is going to tire out the prossie going 2/3 times in an hour whereas an older gent will probably want to chat and go slowly so she can fit more clients in, in a day = loads more cash.
If you're looking at the cheaper end of the market, there's more chance she's going to be addicted to drugs and not have good grasp of english so you might find the sex awkward and not good. I'd just warn you though a lot of prossies don't enjoy it and will give you a lack lusture service so it might seem a waste of money if you get a bad one. I'd recommend you look at what services she provides so you aren't left disappointed and go to one with good reviews. ALWAYS protect yourself and go for one who only provides protected services you don't know who she's seen before you. I'm not a prossie by the way before you ask! but I do have a male friend who pays for sex and has extensive knowledge of the paid sex scene.
I'd never become a prossie I can't separate sex and feelings but if a woman can and enjoys it good on her.
If you want to go for it you need to find a prossie who entertains younger clients, most prossies would rather go with a 50/60 year old man than a 21 year old student. I know your thinking what what woman would prefer a 50/60 year old man but it's true and simply a part of their business model. The prossie views it a business transaction A 21 year old man is going to tire out the prossie going 2/3 times in an hour whereas an older gent will probably want to chat and go slowly so she can fit more clients in, in a day = loads more cash.
If you're looking at the cheaper end of the market, there's more chance she's going to be addicted to drugs and not have good grasp of english so you might find the sex awkward and not good. I'd just warn you though a lot of prossies don't enjoy it and will give you a lack lusture service so it might seem a waste of money if you get a bad one. I'd recommend you look at what services she provides so you aren't left disappointed and go to one with good reviews. ALWAYS protect yourself and go for one who only provides protected services you don't know who she's seen before you. I'm not a prossie by the way before you ask! but I do have a male friend who pays for sex and has extensive knowledge of the paid sex scene.
I'd never become a prossie I can't separate sex and feelings but if a woman can and enjoys it good on her.
That is complete bull most prostituutes are riddled with aids and stds and drug addicts and would bite your hand off for 10-20 quid
Original post by neal95
That is complete bull most prostituutes are riddled with aids and stds and drug addicts and would bite your hand off for 10-20 quid
Have you actually ever met a prostitute? This is a myth in the U.K I'm not talking about street-walkers who you would be right about I mean prostitutes who work indoors who earn 100-150 an hour. Indoor Prossies use protection and go for STD tests all the time a lot more regular than we do because their income is reliant on their health. You're probably more likely to catch an STD off the uni bike than you are off the average prossie.
Oh fair enough i agree I thought you were including the street walker types
Original post by vickidc18
Have you actually ever met a prostitute? This is a myth in the U.K I'm not talking about street-walkers who you would be right about I mean prostitutes who work indoors who earn 100-150 an hour. Indoor Prossies use protection and go for STD tests all the time a lot more regular than we do because their income is reliant on their health. You're probably more likely to catch an STD off the uni bike than you are off the average prossie.
Escorts, in other words.
Original post by Caedus
Escorts, in other words.
Still prostitutes http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/prostitute
NOUN
A person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.
Still a prossie if she works indoors or on the street.
Original post by vickidc18
Still prostitutes http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/prostitute
NOUN
A person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.
Still a prossie if she works indoors or on the street.
NOUN
A person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.
Still a prossie if she works indoors or on the street.
True. But it's a distinction with a difference.
Original post by vickidc18
Still prostitutes http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/prostitute
NOUN
A person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.
Still a prossie if she works indoors or on the street.
NOUN
A person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.
Still a prossie if she works indoors or on the street.
No need to be pedantic with the above.
I disagree with a lot of what you've said by the way and some of it is very far from the truth. You mention you have one friend who's experienced with prostitutes ? I think most guys including myself know a good few more close friends who are experienced.
Not all students are broke either, especially now a days since the fees have gone up - in my experience it's quite the opposite. If I ever did it myself one day, i'd only be interested in escorts which were £150-200 a time. I wouldn't be planning on it being a weekly thing, just once every 2 months or so when I couldn't be bothered to make a effort.
You mentioned something earlier about a 21 year old not being accepted and only 50 year +'s being accepted ? That's obviously not true. I don't know a single person who has ever been turned down because of there age. Since when does anyone ring an escort agency and have to give their age ? There is no way an escort then comes out to a client and refuses because he looks like he's in his early twenties.
Original post by Xyloid
No need to be pedantic with the above.
I disagree with a lot of what you've said by the way and some of it is very far from the truth. You mention you have one friend who's experienced with prostitutes ? I think most guys including myself know a good few more close friends who are experienced.
Not all students are broke either, especially now a days since the fees have gone up - in my experience it's quite the opposite. If I ever did it myself one day, i'd only be interested in escorts which were £150-200 a time. I wouldn't be planning on it being a weekly thing, just once every 2 months or so when I couldn't be bothered to make a effort.
You mentioned something earlier about a 21 year old not being accepted and only 50 year +'s being accepted ? That's obviously not true. I don't know a single person who has ever been turned down because of there age. Since when does anyone ring an escort agency and have to give their age ? There is no way an escort then comes out to a client and refuses because he looks like he's in his early twenties.
I disagree with a lot of what you've said by the way and some of it is very far from the truth. You mention you have one friend who's experienced with prostitutes ? I think most guys including myself know a good few more close friends who are experienced.
Not all students are broke either, especially now a days since the fees have gone up - in my experience it's quite the opposite. If I ever did it myself one day, i'd only be interested in escorts which were £150-200 a time. I wouldn't be planning on it being a weekly thing, just once every 2 months or so when I couldn't be bothered to make a effort.
You mentioned something earlier about a 21 year old not being accepted and only 50 year +'s being accepted ? That's obviously not true. I don't know a single person who has ever been turned down because of there age. Since when does anyone ring an escort agency and have to give their age ? There is no way an escort then comes out to a client and refuses because he looks like he's in his early twenties.
I was just trying to be helpful
& just what I've been told.
I belong to the school of thought that beliefs that sex shouldn't be bought. I mean why do u have to pay for something you both will enjoy. I think sex is meant for the 2 parties or more as the case may be to enjoy. I consider paying for sex as disrespecting women and that is unacceptable. Women should be respected and cherished. As for those who doesn't know their worth and had condescended so low as to be sex workers, the earlier u realise that u are worth much more than that, the better for you, and I want to encourage they guys never to patronise them. Women are not properties that u buy with money. Pls respect, cherish and protect them.
Original post by Scany
I belong to the school of thought that beliefs that sex shouldn't be bought. I mean why do u have to pay for something you both will enjoy. I think sex is meant for the 2 parties or more as the case may be to enjoy. I consider paying for sex as disrespecting women and that is unacceptable. Women should be respected and cherished. As for those who doesn't know their worth and had condescended so low as to be sex workers, the earlier u realise that u are worth much more than that, the better for you, and I want to encourage they guys never to patronise them. Women are not properties that u buy with money. Pls respect, cherish and protect them.
In a lot of ways i'd agree with you.
But I've grown tired of chasing and making all of the effort. I don't care whether it's my job as the man. After a while, it's just lost it's novelty. I don't enjoy the chase anymore and to be honest i'm starting to develop a bit of a pessimistic attitude towards the idea of having to impress and woo girls to be interested in my time. Without sounding big headed - I can do far better than some of the girls I take back, yet i'm the one trying to impress and making most of the effort ? Doesn't make sense to me.
I'm starting to realise why prostitutes even exist and why men (who are perfectly capable of picking up girls) use them and it's for the very reasons above. I very much had your attitude up until recently, but I just find myself not caring anymore. I see it as more of just something else you can buy nowadays.
Original post by Xyloid
In a lot of ways i'd agree with you.
But I've grown tired of chasing and making all of the effort. I don't care whether it's my job as the man. After a while, it's just lost it's novelty. I don't enjoy the chase anymore and to be honest i'm starting to develop a bit of a pessimistic attitude towards the idea of having to impress and woo girls to be interested in my time. Without sounding big headed - I can do far better than some of the girls I take back, yet i'm the one trying to impress and making most of the effort ? Doesn't make sense to me.
I'm starting to realise why prostitutes even exist and why men (who are perfectly capable of picking up girls) use them and it's for the very reasons above. I very much had your attitude up until recently, but I just find myself not caring anymore. I see it as more of just something else you can buy nowadays.
But I've grown tired of chasing and making all of the effort. I don't care whether it's my job as the man. After a while, it's just lost it's novelty. I don't enjoy the chase anymore and to be honest i'm starting to develop a bit of a pessimistic attitude towards the idea of having to impress and woo girls to be interested in my time. Without sounding big headed - I can do far better than some of the girls I take back, yet i'm the one trying to impress and making most of the effort ? Doesn't make sense to me.
I'm starting to realise why prostitutes even exist and why men (who are perfectly capable of picking up girls) use them and it's for the very reasons above. I very much had your attitude up until recently, but I just find myself not caring anymore. I see it as more of just something else you can buy nowadays.
I feel your pain Mate, and I fully understand the situation. U see I am also a victim of this same issues, I often had to try extra hard and sometimes just feel it isn't worth it, the problem I often face is that the kind of girls I want to be with seems to proof to be so difficult and that totally discourages me each time I want to approach a hot girl, these girls really don't make things easy at all, buy the truth remains that I really don't know how someone can enjoy sex when u know u are only allowed to do it because u paid for it. It's awkward kinda plus the fact that it's just like u bought a property, it will just behave the way u want because u have paid
Original post by Xyloid
As someone who a year ago vowed to stay single after another horrific breakup and subsequently has so far had the most promiscuous year of his life, you would probably be left wondering why i'm now considering paying for my sex.
A series of rebounds and one night stands that followed continues until the present and even though the end result does the job, i'm getting increasingly frustrated with what has to be done before getting anywhere near to that stage.
Anyone who knows me, knows that I never could stand the loud, noisy, alcohol-fueled and overly-hyped club/party culture that we have in the UK. But seeing as i'm done with relationships, yet still at a young age in my early 20's where I want to have sex with women I find attractive, there's not an awful lot of compromise.
Sure I could go out for the umpteenth consecutive time this weekend, drink and smoke my head off, "advertise" myself with what I wear and my superficial conversational skills that so blatantly just want to get a girl into bed, but to be honest I can't be arsed anymore. It gets a bit tiring and self-degrading week upon week of the same routine of flaunting yourself like a prize-winning dog at the local fair until a girl (because that's the only way round it's allowed to happen right ?) eventually agrees to do the deed.
As of yet, I'm still yet to contribute my finances to the industry of prostitution in the hope that simpler methods of having sex do exist. Friends with Benefits and **** buddies don't appeal as anecdotal perspectives just imply that it always leads to more.
What are you views on the men that pay for sex ?
A series of rebounds and one night stands that followed continues until the present and even though the end result does the job, i'm getting increasingly frustrated with what has to be done before getting anywhere near to that stage.
Anyone who knows me, knows that I never could stand the loud, noisy, alcohol-fueled and overly-hyped club/party culture that we have in the UK. But seeing as i'm done with relationships, yet still at a young age in my early 20's where I want to have sex with women I find attractive, there's not an awful lot of compromise.
Sure I could go out for the umpteenth consecutive time this weekend, drink and smoke my head off, "advertise" myself with what I wear and my superficial conversational skills that so blatantly just want to get a girl into bed, but to be honest I can't be arsed anymore. It gets a bit tiring and self-degrading week upon week of the same routine of flaunting yourself like a prize-winning dog at the local fair until a girl (because that's the only way round it's allowed to happen right ?) eventually agrees to do the deed.
As of yet, I'm still yet to contribute my finances to the industry of prostitution in the hope that simpler methods of having sex do exist. Friends with Benefits and **** buddies don't appeal as anecdotal perspectives just imply that it always leads to more.
What are you views on the men that pay for sex ?
I don't pay for it in England since if I'm caught I think I can be prosecuted. I do pay when I am in Amsterdam since it has been properly legalized and regulated there (with the exception of the 'private houses', but then I don't visit those) - I always haggle with the sex workers though, and usually manage to reduce the price by 25%+.
Original post by effofex
I don't pay for it in England since if I'm caught I think I can be prosecuted. I do pay when I am in Amsterdam since it has been properly legalized and regulated there (with the exception of the 'private houses', but then I don't visit those) - I always haggle with the sex workers though, and usually manage to reduce the price by 25%+.
It's not illegal to pay for sex in the UK unless you curb-crawl, have sex with a minor or have sex with someone who is forced. But yeah I can understand there's a bit more of a risk as you can't guarantee the latter.
I'll bare that in mind if i ever choose to do it.
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