Largest men's rights conference of its kind threatened with cancellation by feminists

I've gotten messages telling me to kill myself because I had the audacity to question something that a popular tumblr-feminist said (she said that you can choose to be gay for political reasons, and as an LGBT person I know that this is something that anti-LGBT people have been saying for years, and I know that I was born this way... and it just makes me want to break something thinking that a so called ally would say this).
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Seems immature to have "men's rights" conferences when historically women needed equal rights.

Also the cause of feminism is still relevant even if you disagree with their tactics. Of course men and women should have equal rights, but feminism helps to get on a level playing field. And men aren't victims, apart from when it comes to parenting rights.

You say feminism helps to level the playing field, but this suggests there is only one playing field. There are many aspects of life, and in some aspects men are ahead, and in other aspects women are ahead. Feminism focuses on those aspects where men have an advantage, and men's rights activists focus on the aspects where women have an advantage.

Overall both movements are working towards an equal society and there is no harm in that.

Women don't actually have any advantages. Most of the MRM arguments have either been proven wrong (like false rape claims and bias in child custody) while many others as a product of patriarchy, which men's rights CANNOT fix within a culture that glorifies male strength and violence.

The whole 'men get laughed at when women rape them' is a perfect example of this, that the MRM will never change while they encourage a downright predatory view of male sexuality.

Women don't actually have any advantages. Most of the MRM arguments have either been proven wrong (like false rape claims and bias in child custody) while many others as a product of patriarchy, which men's rights CANNOT fix within a culture that glorifies male strength and violence.

The whole 'men get laughed at when women rape them' is a perfect example of this, that the MRM will never change while they encourage a downright predatory view of male sexuality.

They've been proven wrong? Links?

One thing I found a bit worrying the other day with regards to the rape thing- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27726280 . I just thought "hang on, what if those 40% of men being found not guilty are, y'know, not guilty?". That woman seems to be operating under the assumption that all men on trial for rape are guilty, which totally goes against our democratic traditions. The last thing we should want to do is pressure judges and juries to convict when there is reasonable doubt. Looking at the last few years, the number of rapists convicted seems quite steady, when there's more cases there's a lower percentage convicted, probably because there were more weaker cases bought to court.

As someone who has had a friend accused of rape (police investigated and decided there wasn't a strong enough case to go to court) and who has been, with his friends, accused of a sexual assault (not to police, she just started a rumour), I'm a little sensitive to the attitude which seems to assume guilt on men accused of these crimes.

Why can't men's rights fix a culture that glorifies male strength and violence? Don't we need people on our side telling us we don't have to act a certain way, fighting stereotypes?

I don't think that's true. We know, from a video you probably saw, men get laughed at when women domestically abuse them, though. We make up 40% of people who've been domestically abused, do you really think public attitudes reflect that?

Whether women's advantages are a product of patriarchy or not, it doesn't make them any less real. Men's rights can fix these problems, because men's rights isn't about glorifying male strength and violence.

You clearly haven't looked down the rabbit hole. I was once involved in the MRM... I know EXACTLY what their motivations are.

If I thought for 1 minute you were actually interested, I'd go track them down. But from my experience, and you're other comments, you have absolutely ZERO interest in critical analysis of the issues. That you clearly are relying on people how AREN'T feminists, to claim what their positions are, says it further.

Yes, that's the attitude of a lot of people. Society expects women to complain about things and does a great deal when women raise an issue.

But when men complain, they get labelled with things like 'a bunch of whiney *****' and expected to shut up.

I don't think people are necessarily saying that the MRM are the shining example of men's rights - just that it is clear that some sort of movement for male equal rights is needed.

Male equal rights? Name a right, NOT a statistic, that women have that men don't have. MRA's always make this claim and it's absolutely untrue.

Feminists and MRA's are two sides of the same coin


Both are generally made up of angry middle-class White people

Both have a totally unjustified sense of their own victimihood

Both tend to over-intellectualise their total non-movements

Both concern themselves too much with changing the world to suit their own (unrealistic) ideal, as opposed to accepting how the world actually is and concerning themselves with managing their own place it in

Both tend to really love going to meetings and belonging to groups

and both need to shut the **** up

Male equal rights? Name a right, NOT a statistic, that women have that men don't have. MRA's always make this claim and it's absolutely untrue.

If you look at some of the cited works and essays under the Wikipedia page (shocking I know) for Men's Rights Activists, you'll see that the movement from the start has always been a counter-feminist one. Today, MRA groups' aims actually mirror those of the large majority of feminist ones, such as the ones you mentioned (if you want me to explain how this is the case then do let me know!).

The problem is they feel that the acquisition of women's rights in some areas will lead to the loss of men's rights in others which is not the case. The whole us and them mentality comes from both sides being far too easily drawn in by the more radical groups, and they spend more time beating each other up rather than pursuing the ultimate aim is achieving both legal, economic and social equality.

Women don't actually have any advantages. Most of the MRM arguments have either been proven wrong (like false rape claims and bias in child custody) while many others as a product of patriarchy, which men's rights CANNOT fix within a culture that glorifies male strength and violence.

The whole 'men get laughed at when women rape them' is a perfect example of this, that the MRM will never change while they encourage a downright predatory view of male sexuality.

Rape hysteria is the result of feminism. It is Schrodinger's rapist, the attempt to portray all men as rapists, the constant false rape statistics thrown around by feminists, and the attempt to portray our society as a "rape culture". It is an hysteria which feminists have created which, paradoxically, might be making rape victims more unlikely to go to the police. When RAINN, the largest anti-sexual assault charity in America, says the concept of "rape culture" is garbage, you should probably listen:

https://rainn.org/news-room/rainn-urges-white-house-task-force-to-overhaul-colleges-treatment-of-rape

It is also obvious that A Voice For Men is describing western society, not India.