Change.org complains about drink/rape poster

Those posters are really no better. Anything that seeks to shift blame away from the personal responsibility of the perpetrator is unhelpful.

Mugging is a violent crime.

Your argument was so imprecise as to be effectively meaningless.

Do you not have any cool buzzwords to insult the people who made these posters?

Keep your wits about you when you're drunk is eminently sensible advice but I won't be getting into it again, as I have a perfectly good brick wall next to me.

Not really. It was clear what I meant and the argument was clear. And the fact that you're nitpicking for a win instead of actually addressing my point is telling.

Those posters are really no better. Anything that seeks to shift blame away from the personal responsibility of the perpetrator is unhelpful.

Those posters are really no better. Anything that seeks to shift blame away from the personal responsibility of the perpetrator is unhelpful.

It wasn't clear, in fact I'm still not sure what you're driving at with your fanciful tales of margarine consumption and marital breakdown.

So why is the rape one the one that gets all the attention?

Because the insinuations are that much more alarming at a time when misogyny in this country is reaching worrying proportions.

Nobody is saying that the perpetrator is not entirely responsible, but that doesn't mean potential victims can't take steps to reduce their risk. Drinking heavily makes you vulnerable, and not just to rapists. It is important people at least acknowledge that fact.

But it isn't misogyny.

Oh, just pointing out that there may not be a causal link between alcohol and rape just as there probably isn't one for margarine consumption and divorce (despite correlation) and so your demand for the correlation to be explained may not even be possible, and even if it is possible it's not the job of the person you quoted to explain it seeing how they're not his statistics.

But it isn't misogyny.

The implication that its at least partly women's fault for getting raped because they were drunk isn't misogyny?

and don't try to tell me that implication isn't there in the poster.

As i have said before, not nearly as much as simply leaving the house in the first place. Yet we don't see statistics about that. Why the double standard? Ask yourself, what ulterior motives are there to present a misrepresentation of the truth.

No one said being drunk is 'advertising your puss', it's advertising vulnerability that any sort of criminal could exploit. You could be kidnapped, bulged from, sexually assaulted or raped. A criminal would more likely choose you as a target as they'd be able to see you're vulnerable, and you'd be less likely to notice the danger to avoid it due to your intoxication, maybe not even able to cry for help whilst in a sober state you would. You might also make unwise decisions putting yourself in a further vulnerable state, like going off alone, walking in dangerous areas, trusting strangers.

Re telling men not to rape I explained in a post above - men don't rape rapists/criminals do and these people aren't normal members of society unlike the rest of the population who the ad is targeted at, so are very unlikely to take the advice on board.

*facepalm*. It's not as simple as telling men not to rape. It's teaching men to respect women. From a very young age, many of us are indoctrinated with a sense of entitlement to sex/women from a very young age. And I beg to differ about rapists not being normal members of society. What of all those college rapes on prestige college campus performed by those who previously offered promise and had no criminal record prior?

It's not 'men' that rape, it's a select number if criminals. These criminals are likely mentally a little messed up - all normal, functional members of society know rape is wrong, so if these criminals don't understand that they're unlikely to pay heed to a sign. The people who are attacked though are normal members if society, who could actually take on board the advice to avoid the risk of being attacked.

all normal, functional members of society know rape is wrong, so if these criminals don't understand that they're unlikely to pay heed to a sign.