The Student Room Group

Feminists have ruined marriage. Women have rights, men have responsibilities. Discuss

Scroll to see replies

Original post by GoldenEmblem277

It still does. The gap actually widened recently- females are apparently paid 78% of what men are paid. Whilst I admit that male and female job choices hold an explanation for the discrepancy, I do believe that discrimination of women also play a huge role.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-business/10513636/Gender-pay-gap-widens-with-women-earning-an-average-of-5000-less-reports-ONS.html

If you were a business owner, why would you hire men if you could get the same work from a woman but only pay 78% of the salary?

Business owners want to maximise profits, not discriminate against women. :rolleyes:
Original post by GoldenEmblem277
It still does. The gap actually widened recently- females are apparently paid 78% of what men are paid. Whilst I admit that male and female job choices hold an explanation for the discrepancy, I do believe that discrimination of women also play a huge role.


You can go by averages. Any group which you apply this to will have huge discrepancies and it doesn't take into account the equal opportunities everyone has nowadays.

The only gap is men are paid less for part time wages than women.
Original post by MarriageSucks
Do you both want equality in areas where men are disadvantaged?

For example, do you want equal numbers of men and women to die at work?(currently 93% of people who die at work are men)

Do you want equal numbers of men and women to kill themselves? (currently it's about 4-1 men-women)

Do you want equal numbers of men and women to be homeless? (currently men make up far more homeless people)

Do you want the average life expectancy to be the same? (currently women live longer than men in nearly every country in the world)

It seems to me that feminists are often hypocritical - looking up to the top of society and seeing that it is male dominated and demanding more women in the boardroom and in parliament, but ignoring the fact that the bottom of society is overwhelmingly male too.


I would want to help the men at the bottom also. We are all human, and no one deserves to be in the situations that you described. I am concerned with equality for all.
Original post by MarriageSucks
If you were a business owner, why would you hire men if you could get the same work from a woman but only pay 78% of the salary?

Business owners want to maximise profits, not discriminate against women. :rolleyes:


One simple reason- maturnity leave. Women are the ones who give birth, and thus they have to take time off work to look after their young. Yes, some males do take paternity leave, but often it is the women who get the longer leaves.

Think how that disrupts businesses- They will have several workers off for several months in order to look after newborns!! Loss in profits and output... Can you see why businesses would discriminate against females?

also to your next point- yes, I took averages, yes, the pay gap varies from job to job (and yes, in some jobs, females get paid more then males)- and Pay gaps are wrong. Pay in all jobs, for both genders, needs to be equal.
Original post by GoldenEmblem277
It will take another 40 years before the pay gap is finally closed.

Statements like this are hilarious. You may as well say 10 years or 2000 years. The gender pay gap will never close in a capitalist society because men are biologically, on average, superior to women in terms of physicality and what they're deemed able to offer in the work place on an economic level.
You know the answer mate....Don't ****ing marry then. Jesus Christ, it's not hard.


I am a liberal feminist, and I don't intend to marry. Marriage can trap you in an unhappy relationship, I've seen it with my parents (mostly my mum) and I honestly don't see how it's worth it. I am a romantic, but I just don't see the benefit.
Original post by Pseudocode
Statements like this are hilarious. You may as well say 10 years or 2000 years. The gender pay gap will never close in a capitalist society because men are biologically, on average, superior to women in terms of physicality and what they're deemed able to offer in the work place on an economic level.




What era are you living in?

Since when does 'physicality' determine who goes up the ranks in the highest income jobs?
Original post by GoldenEmblem277
One simple reason- maturnity leave. Can you see why businesses would discriminate against females?

Feminists distorted the free market by requiring maternity leave, which has consequences. Of course feminists want to eradicate these consequences by requiring equal pay for unequal work, but this will have its own consequences (i.e. men preferentially being hired over women).

Whether feminists like it or not, nature has burdened and privileged females with a unique role to play in society - only women can create new life. HOWEVER, in a fair and just society a woman's husband should be incurring the costs of allowing the woman to raise her child, not hardworking business owners or taxpayers.

Of course, we don't live in a fair and just society because marriage is a terrible deal for men in the West, so I must discourage any men on here from getting married until the laws change.
Original post by TolerantBeing
What era are you living in?

Since when does 'physicality' determine who goes up the ranks in the highest income jobs?

The modern era brah. Are you suggesting that top end jobs don't put a strain on your mental and physical well being? Of course they do.
Original post by Pseudocode
The modern era brah. Are you suggesting that top end jobs don't put a strain on your mental and physical well being? Of course they do.





In regards to physical well being, not in a way that benefits males over females.



In regards to mental well being.... please, please don't suggest me you are suggesting that males are mentally stronger than females? I'm giving you a chance to backtrack here...

Also, love your pathetic little visitor message.
(edited 9 years ago)
Original post by TolerantBeing
In regards to physical well being, not in a way that benefits males over females.

In regards to mental well being.... please, please don't suggest me you are suggesting that males are mentally stronger than females?


Are you suggesting football etc. and other sports aren't jobs? Oh wait they are. Plus there are plenty of other highly paid specialist jobs that women rarely do because of the physical and mental demands like underwater welding.

Men are mentally stronger yeah.
Original post by Pseudocode
Are you suggesting football etc. and other sports aren't jobs? Oh wait they are. Plus there are plenty of other highly paid specialist jobs that women rarely do because of the physical and mental demands like underwater welding.

Men are mentally stronger yeah.


I wonder why more men commit suicide then.


Spoiler

Original post by SophieSmall
I wonder why more men commit suicide then.

Because we often have to provide for ourselves, our partners and the children.
Original post by Pseudocode
Statements like this are hilarious. You may as well say 10 years or 2000 years. The gender pay gap will never close in a capitalist society because men are biologically, on average, superior to women in terms of physicality and what they're deemed able to offer in the work place on an economic level.


Part of it is due to our culture that dictates that men our physically stronger then women. Have you heard of the Aka people? There women hunt as well as the men, and the men look after the children also.

Also- Whilst I slightly question some of the article below's accuracy, it does provide some food for thought. I will research more into this to confirm its validity (or lack of)



http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/07/05/battle-of-the-sexes-are-women-biologically-superior-to-men/
Original post by GoldenEmblem277
Part of it is due to our culture that dictates that men our physically stronger then women. Have you heard of the Aka people? There women hunt as well as the men, and the men look after the children also.

Also- Whilst I slightly question some of the article below's accuracy, it does provide some food for thought. I will research more into this to confirm its validity (or lack of)

http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/07/05/battle-of-the-sexes-are-women-biologically-superior-to-men/

You should use Google Scholar for evidence. What even is that site? Did you come across that on some feminists tumblr ramblings or something? Come on now. Proper sources please.
There is a really really simple solution to fixing the pay gap.

Men and Women get equal pay & pa/materienty leave. Women get paid the same amount as men, and due to being equal, only get the standard 2 weeks off that males get in a bull**** sexist world.

OR

Men get paid less, and get to take the maximum amount of time off when they have a kid as women do.

It's not hard. You want equal pay, you get equal leave.

Any takers? :smile:
Original post by MarriageSucks
Feminists distorted the free market by requiring maternity leave, which has consequences. Of course feminists want to eradicate these consequences by requiring equal pay for unequal work, but this will have its own consequences (i.e. men preferentially being hired over women).

Whether feminists like it or not, nature has burdened and privileged females with a unique role to play in society - only women can create new life. HOWEVER, in a fair and just society a woman's husband should be incurring the costs of allowing the woman to raise her child, not hardworking business owners or taxpayers.

Of course, we don't live in a fair and just society because marriage is a terrible deal for men in the West, so I must discourage any men on here from getting married until the laws change.


Women work just as hard as men- and if I had my way, then men and women would take equal amounts of maternity and paternity leave so that they could have time to bond with their child without damaging the free market and taking valuable tax payers money.

Women want to work and they want to have families- can I ask what is wrong with that? And before you ask, yes I do know a women who made her husband quit his job to look after their children, but that was the exception, and not the norm.

Also- how would you want the laws to be changed?
Original post by MarriageSucks

Being massive hypocrites, feminists have freed women from their traditional gender roles but want men to keep their traditional gender role (when it benefits women) - e.g. paying through the nose even after a divorce.


Actually, before second-wave feminism spousal maintenance/alimony legally could only be paid by a man to his ex-wife - the reverse was not legally possible. Nowadays, however, it is indeed possible for a court to insist a woman pay her ex-husband maintenance. Yes, men still pay it more often, but that's because it's generally paid by the higher-earning partner, which more often than not is still men.

Men who get married today are taking a huge risk with very little benefit. Once married, their wives have all the power. She doesn't need to stay thin or keep her hair long or dress like a woman or provide sex or do any cooking or cleaning.


How on earth does any of this constitute 'power'?

She has her husband by the balls and he has to become her submissive little bitch or risk divorce = losing his house, children and half his wealth.


See above about maintenance. Also, why is it his house?
Original post by Pseudocode
You should use Google Scholar for evidence. What even is that site? Did you come across that on some feminists tumblr ramblings or something? Come on now. Proper sources please.



How about you try and use Scholar to back up your claim that males are by default mentally stronger?
(edited 9 years ago)
Original post by Pseudocode
The gender pay gap will never close in a capitalist society


There's your answer then. :wink:

Quick Reply

Latest

Trending

Trending