Whats the point trying to achieve when Labour just want to tax?
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Original post by redferry
Personally I would be happy to earn more to pay more tax 
Giving back to a system I have been relentlessly taking from since birth feels good.
Giving back to a system I have been relentlessly taking from since birth feels good.
I can't remember who said it but:
"I don't mind paying taxes; I use them to buy civilisation".
Original post by billydisco
What equipment do you need to study Maths and Physics? Nothing.
Books, writing utensils, paper, sometimes other stuff like compasses, sometimes an internet connect ion, etc. Also as I mentioned before, poverty makes them less able to afford adequate nutrition, which hinders their learning ability.
Anyway, you're free to leave the country whenever you want. Need any help packing?
Original post by billydisco
Is the social welfare bill going to be higher or lower if the chavs have jobs?
More Eastern Europeans coming to the UK to work = more chavs on social welfare
= higher social welfare bill
and as these Polish people are working for the same amount of money as the chavs were, tax revenues are the sme. So who is going to fund the increase in social welfare?
UK TAXPAYER!!!
Now that wasn't rocket science, was it?
The ideal scenario is for us to have 100% employment and thats not going to happen if we keep importing low-skilled Eastern Europeans to deny British chavs jobs.
Is the social welfare bill going to be higher or lower if the chavs have jobs?
More Eastern Europeans coming to the UK to work = more chavs on social welfare
= higher social welfare bill
and as these Polish people are working for the same amount of money as the chavs were, tax revenues are the sme. So who is going to fund the increase in social welfare?
UK TAXPAYER!!!
Now that wasn't rocket science, was it?
The ideal scenario is for us to have 100% employment and thats not going to happen if we keep importing low-skilled Eastern Europeans to deny British chavs jobs.
But the British chavs don't want the jobs! In any case, the euros can't live here if they haven't got jobs as per EU legislation . Nice try mate.
As per social welfare simple! Scrap it! Including pensions! Why should I have to pay for people that didn't save up their money!?
I'd just like to throw in the fact the culturally the working class tends not to be exposed to the idea of the need to achieve. Their role models would be their parents which work low paying jobs. It's literally all they've ever known. You can't expect 12 year olds to understand the harshness of the world.
Education is only free while you are a child. After that you can't just take A levels. Through distance learning you're looking at £3000 a year per A level. All while having to try and support yourself through a low paying job.
The upper class has the importance of education drilled into them from a very young age and has access to resources such a personal tutors and parents which are well educated to help them.
And before you go back to blaming the parents for raising their children in this way, please remember that it's a cycle. The child gets their view of society from their parents, the child grows up, and then becomes the parent. The child was perfectly innocent, but needed to learn to function in a culture that does not prioritise education.
You can't tax the poor more because they do not have the money to give. The wealthy on the over hand have more money than they need to live a comfortable life. Believe it or not, not all taxes go towards benefits. Taxes go towards general keeping of the country, libraries, child services,the police service, fire services, and the nhs (which is being crippled at the moment by a lack of funding). So where do you suggest the money for the county comes from?
And finally you do realise that if everybody becomes qualified, you have rendered qualifications worthless. There will be too many people qualified for the higher paying jobs than their actually are higher paying jobs. Do you really want a society where all your hard work ends up being for naught as you can only get a low paying shop job?
Let's face it, society relies heavily on the low wage workers. Without them the country would be at a standstill. How about you show them some respect and instead advocate for higher wages for these workers so they don't need benefits and can pay taxes?
Education is only free while you are a child. After that you can't just take A levels. Through distance learning you're looking at £3000 a year per A level. All while having to try and support yourself through a low paying job.
The upper class has the importance of education drilled into them from a very young age and has access to resources such a personal tutors and parents which are well educated to help them.
And before you go back to blaming the parents for raising their children in this way, please remember that it's a cycle. The child gets their view of society from their parents, the child grows up, and then becomes the parent. The child was perfectly innocent, but needed to learn to function in a culture that does not prioritise education.
You can't tax the poor more because they do not have the money to give. The wealthy on the over hand have more money than they need to live a comfortable life. Believe it or not, not all taxes go towards benefits. Taxes go towards general keeping of the country, libraries, child services,the police service, fire services, and the nhs (which is being crippled at the moment by a lack of funding). So where do you suggest the money for the county comes from?
And finally you do realise that if everybody becomes qualified, you have rendered qualifications worthless. There will be too many people qualified for the higher paying jobs than their actually are higher paying jobs. Do you really want a society where all your hard work ends up being for naught as you can only get a low paying shop job?
Let's face it, society relies heavily on the low wage workers. Without them the country would be at a standstill. How about you show them some respect and instead advocate for higher wages for these workers so they don't need benefits and can pay taxes?
Original post by k4l397
If you're earning loads, a lot of tax won't make a great bit of difference because you are earning a lot anyway.
Since when? It makes a huge difference knowing I am being punished for my success. Doesn't exactly encourage people to succeed!
Original post by k4l397
I think you are currently categorising a minority into a very large group.
I'm not referring to the "Shameless" type..... it is a MUCH more common occurrence that you think..... visit any low class area and you'll see hardly any parents give a crap about their kids. I think this has only happened in the last 20 years, 50 years ago the lower class cared about their kids, cared about their homes- whereas now they don't. I think the most plausible reason is due to the fact many people are just so unskilled they feel less important to society.
Original post by k4l397
It's not necessarily the case that they didn't take advantage of the education system, in some cases the current education system doesn't work. Why is it private schools usually obtain better results than others? Quite simply because the people who attend there have had a better education because their parents can afford it.
I think some of it is down to the quality of the education, but I would say the bigger reason is the environment at school and at the home. The children are encouraged to learn, as opposed to private schools possessing "super teachers".
Original post by k4l397
Even in schools that are 'free', people move area so they can live within the catchment for that school so their child can go to a 'good school' hence making the area a more expensive place to live hence making it impossible for poorer families to attend that school. That usually leaves schools which aren't considered as 'good' in poorer areas which as a result don't receive as good of an education.
I know, which is why I am against comprehensive schools. A Grammar school would allow any poor bright pupil who had a chance of escaping poverty the chance to do so.
Original post by k4l397
Taxes should be in place for people who have done well for themselves and earn a lot so they can give others the same chance they had. I don't see what you find unfair about that. You giveback more because you got more in the first place.
I find it unfair that the tax % keeps increasing the more you earn. Do you not see what this actually implies? Think about it, what if tax was 100% at £1m- that is telling people they are not allowed to earn more than £1m. So the Government are trying to slowly prevent successful people from earning more money......
Instead of trying to prevent successful people from earning money, they should sort out the poor people who, as this thread has suggested, are the cause of the problem.
Also, I am not against tax, I am against excessive tax. 40% is a bloody lot, 45//50% is just plane ludicrous. Don't forget this excludes national insurance, which is just another name for income tax2!
The thing which really pisses me off is most Labour supporters wont ever have to pay 40% tax, so they're fine to promote the 40/45/50p tax bands as they wont have to pay them- Do as I say, not as i do!
The problem with this country is there are too many people having kids who shouldn't be....
Original post by Prince of Mind
I'd just like to throw in the fact the culturally the working class tends not to be exposed to the idea of the need to achieve. Their role models would be their parents which work low paying jobs. It's literally all they've ever known. You can't expect 12 year olds to understand the harshness of the world.
Education is only free while you are a child. After that you can't just take A levels. Through distance learning you're looking at £3000 a year per A level. All while having to try and support yourself through a low paying job.
The upper class has the importance of education drilled into them from a very young age and has access to resources such a personal tutors and parents which are well educated to help them.
And before you go back to blaming the parents for raising their children in this way, please remember that it's a cycle. The child gets their view of society from their parents, the child grows up, and then becomes the parent. The child was perfectly innocent, but needed to learn to function in a culture that does not prioritise education.
You can't tax the poor more because they do not have the money to give. The wealthy on the over hand have more money than they need to live a comfortable life. Believe it or not, not all taxes go towards benefits. Taxes go towards general keeping of the country, libraries, child services,the police service, fire services, and the nhs (which is being crippled at the moment by a lack of funding). So where do you suggest the money for the county comes from?
And finally you do realise that if everybody becomes qualified, you have rendered qualifications worthless. There will be too many people qualified for the higher paying jobs than their actually are higher paying jobs. Do you really want a society where all your hard work ends up being for naught as you can only get a low paying shop job?
Let's face it, society relies heavily on the low wage workers. Without them the country would be at a standstill. How about you show them some respect and instead advocate for higher wages for these workers so they don't need benefits and can pay taxes?
Education is only free while you are a child. After that you can't just take A levels. Through distance learning you're looking at £3000 a year per A level. All while having to try and support yourself through a low paying job.
The upper class has the importance of education drilled into them from a very young age and has access to resources such a personal tutors and parents which are well educated to help them.
And before you go back to blaming the parents for raising their children in this way, please remember that it's a cycle. The child gets their view of society from their parents, the child grows up, and then becomes the parent. The child was perfectly innocent, but needed to learn to function in a culture that does not prioritise education.
You can't tax the poor more because they do not have the money to give. The wealthy on the over hand have more money than they need to live a comfortable life. Believe it or not, not all taxes go towards benefits. Taxes go towards general keeping of the country, libraries, child services,the police service, fire services, and the nhs (which is being crippled at the moment by a lack of funding). So where do you suggest the money for the county comes from?
And finally you do realise that if everybody becomes qualified, you have rendered qualifications worthless. There will be too many people qualified for the higher paying jobs than their actually are higher paying jobs. Do you really want a society where all your hard work ends up being for naught as you can only get a low paying shop job?
Let's face it, society relies heavily on the low wage workers. Without them the country would be at a standstill. How about you show them some respect and instead advocate for higher wages for these workers so they don't need benefits and can pay taxes?
1) It does not cost £3k a year to teach yourself A Levels
2) If the NHS is being crippled then why are we admitting more and more low-skilled immigrants to this country who consume more than they contribute?
3) If UK people are more qualified than foreign-born people, jobs requiring high-skills will go to UK persons, not foreign-born persons....
Original post by The Socktor
Books, writing utensils, paper, sometimes other stuff like compasses, sometimes an internet connect ion, etc. Also as I mentioned before, poverty makes them less able to afford adequate nutrition, which hinders their learning ability.
Anyway, you're free to leave the country whenever you want. Need any help packing?
Anyway, you're free to leave the country whenever you want. Need any help packing?
If every person like myself left the UK, this country would be ROYALLY-****ed.
The top 1% of earners contributed 30% of all tax in 2012:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2107031/UK-Budget-2012-Top-1-earners-contribute-income-tax.html
So how would you fund your NHS if people like me left?
Original post by billydisco
If every person like myself left the UK, this country would be ROYALLY-****ed.
The top 1% of earners contributed 30% of all tax in 2012:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2107031/UK-Budget-2012-Top-1-earners-contribute-income-tax.html
So how would you fund your NHS if people like me left?
The top 1% of earners contributed 30% of all tax in 2012:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2107031/UK-Budget-2012-Top-1-earners-contribute-income-tax.html
So how would you fund your NHS if people like me left?
Are you part of the 1%?
What do you do?
Why don't you leave?
Original post by billydisco
1) It does not cost £3k a year to teach yourself A Levels
2) If the NHS is being crippled then why are we admitting more and more low-skilled immigrants to this country who consume more than they contribute?
3) If UK people are more qualified than foreign-born people, jobs requiring high-skills will go to UK persons, not foreign-born persons....
2) If the NHS is being crippled then why are we admitting more and more low-skilled immigrants to this country who consume more than they contribute?
3) If UK people are more qualified than foreign-born people, jobs requiring high-skills will go to UK persons, not foreign-born persons....
The system is not set up to self teach. You either do A levels at college when you're 16, you pay to do distance learning, or you have to jump to what is quite honestly far too many hoops to find out what needs to be taught, getting the resources required, and getting registered with the exam board. Colleges and distance learning institutions have a lot of experience in doing this and get direct contact with the exam boards on exactly what to teach.
We are admitting people into this country as we are part of the EU. I'm not going to go into whether or not I agree with being in the EU. But what I will say is that there is a huge bed shortage at hospitals, and way too many cuts to funding. All you need to do is a quick google search to see this. (I would provide links but I'm on my mobile)
And I don't know about you, but the vast majority of people of ethnic backgrounds I see are already working in low paying jobs.
Original post by billydisco
Yeah course you would mate, go and work your *******s off, have a high salary and then come back and sprout that crap
Easy to sit there as a student, saying you'd love to earn more money to pay more tax.
Easy to sit there as a student, saying you'd love to earn more money to pay more tax.
Well if I was on a high salary I would spend a lower percentage of my wage as tax so I imagine it would be even easier to part with it!
Original post by Prince of Mind
The system is not set up to self teach. You either do A levels at college when you're 16, you pay to do distance learning, or you have to jump to what is quite honestly far too many hoops to find out what needs to be taught, getting the resources required, and getting registered with the exam board. Colleges and distance learning institutions have a lot of experience in doing this and get direct contact with the exam boards on exactly what to teach.
We are admitting people into this country as we are part of the EU. I'm not going to go into whether or not I agree with being in the EU. But what I will say is that there is a huge bed shortage at hospitals, and way too many cuts to funding. All you need to do is a quick google search to see this. (I would provide links but I'm on my mobile)
And I don't know about you, but the vast majority of people of ethnic backgrounds I see are already working in low paying jobs.
We are admitting people into this country as we are part of the EU. I'm not going to go into whether or not I agree with being in the EU. But what I will say is that there is a huge bed shortage at hospitals, and way too many cuts to funding. All you need to do is a quick google search to see this. (I would provide links but I'm on my mobile)
And I don't know about you, but the vast majority of people of ethnic backgrounds I see are already working in low paying jobs.
2) we are admitting people from poor countries (how many Dutch/French/Germans/Italians come here vs /Polish/Romanian/Slovakian ?) who have poor skills and consuming more than they contribute because they pay hardly any tax. If you were born in Romania with jack-****, would you stay there or move to the UK???
Anyway, if people want to moan about cuts- better start-off with preventing leaches arriving here. Dont moan about cuts whilst we accept 10-member families from Romania and wonder why we can't afford to reduce doctor waiting lists.
3) I am talking about highly-skilled foreigners, like the French engineering school grads who work in the city.
Original post by redferry
Well if I was on a high salary I would spend a lower percentage of my wage as tax so I imagine it would be even easier to part with it!
It doesn't work like that when you have a boss shouting at you all day, work pressure etc. You realise there's a reason why you're paid so much........ and then you see how much of it goes on tax whilst somebody else who did ****-all except shag around gets £30k in benefits...... from your taxes....
Original post by billydisco
It doesn't work like that when you have a boss shouting at you all day, work pressure etc. You realise there's a reason why you're paid so much........ and then you see how much of it goes on tax whilst somebody else who did ****-all except shag around gets £30k in benefits...... from your taxes....
You're part of the 1% but have a boss?
You can't get £30k on benefits.
Original post by InnerTemple
Same.
I am happy to be paying into the system - and I would not mind paying more.
I am happy to be paying into the system - and I would not mind paying more.
The taxpayer is funding my PhD so yeah I'm gonna have taken hella money by the end of it. I estimate probably around 120,000 just for that - 30 grand per year over 4 years when training, fees, equipment and my wage are factored in.
Original post by Quady
Are you part of the 1%?
What do you do?
Why don't you leave?
What do you do?
Why don't you leave?
If Labour get in and start on the rich (I'm hoping they are only currently saying all this to get votes from the plebs) I will probably move. I'm not paying more tax because a significant proportion of this country are ****ing failures.
What if everybody in this country was your typical Labour failure? There would be no state handouts as there'd be nobody to fund it all! Thats the easiest way to prove Labour/socialism is logically wrong.
All wealth creators/entrepreneurs are right-wing Tories...... at least a country full of Tories you'd still have an economy running!
Original post by billydisco
It doesn't work like that when you have a boss shouting at you all day, work pressure etc. You realise there's a reason why you're paid so much........ and then you see how much of it goes on tax whilst somebody else who did ****-all except shag around gets £30k in benefits...... from your taxes....
My dad earns a lot and he overpays his taxes every year...
Sounds like if that is your job you need workers rights and unionisation, and not begrudging paying taxes. You are clearly just jealous due to the fact you have a horrible work environment.
Lets be honest here, very very little of your taxes go on unemployment benefits, and an even smaller percentage goes on the long term unemployed.
Original post by billydisco
If Labour get in and start on the rich (I'm hoping they are only currently saying all this to get votes from the plebs) I will probably move. I'm not paying more tax because a significant proportion of this country are ****ing failures.
What if everybody in this country was your typical Labour failure? There would be no state handouts as there'd be nobody to fund it all! Thats the easiest way to prove Labour/socialism is logically wrong.
All wealth creators/entrepreneurs are right-wing Tories...... at least a country full of Tories you'd still have an economy running!
What if everybody in this country was your typical Labour failure? There would be no state handouts as there'd be nobody to fund it all! Thats the easiest way to prove Labour/socialism is logically wrong.
All wealth creators/entrepreneurs are right-wing Tories...... at least a country full of Tories you'd still have an economy running!
You are in cloud cuckoo land
Original post by redferry
My dad earns a lot and he overpays his taxes every year...
Sounds like if that is your job you need workers rights and unionisation, and not begrudging paying taxes. You are clearly just jealous due to the fact you have a horrible work environment.
Lets be honest here, very very little of your taxes go on unemployment benefits, and an even smaller percentage goes on the long term unemployed.
Sounds like if that is your job you need workers rights and unionisation, and not begrudging paying taxes. You are clearly just jealous due to the fact you have a horrible work environment.
Lets be honest here, very very little of your taxes go on unemployment benefits, and an even smaller percentage goes on the long term unemployed.
Workers rights? What are you on about?
High pay = high demands, or it wouldnt be high paid!
You see, the fact you start mentioning unions shows your from another planet. What do you think a union is going to tell a company- "you cant expect deadlines from employees"?
You have the left-wing mindset, you dont want to take responsibility, you just want a union to cover your arse. Might work like that when you earn min wage- but when you're on proper money you dont have unions. A union is for people who are so worthless individually, they can only blackmail in large numbers.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
You are in cloud cuckoo land
You're saying a country-full of people who consume more than they contribute from the state wouldn't be unsustainable?
(Love how you couldnt even actually explain your point properly- really lends to the credibility of what you say
)
Original post by billydisco
What equipment do you need to study Maths and Physics? Nothing.
So again, where is the excuse for not achieving?
Re the bit in bold- so basically poor people do have a tenancy to act like skanks and we need to separate them from their offspring to stop their kids being scummy.
So again, where is the excuse for not achieving?
Re the bit in bold- so basically poor people do have a tenancy to act like skanks and we need to separate them from their offspring to stop their kids being scummy.
Er, a scientific calculator?
Also it's 'tendency', not 'tenancy'. Are you poor or something?
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