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Why is fascism evil, but Communism isn't?

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Original post by anosmianAcrimony
Human civilisation is a revolt against nature.


No it isn't. It doesn't contradict reality.
Egalitarianism does. Humans are not born equal.
Original post by HigherMinion
Agree with the OP.

It's essentially national socialism vs. international socialism. Socialism is bad, but international socialism is destructive and far more authoritarian than national socialism, because it does not force different people together or destroy tradition. Although, both fascism and communism were great at silencing dissent.

I think Britain and the Netherlands had the most free people in all of Europe.


1. Socialism isn't bad, it's done more for the people than any other political movement.

2. National Socialism is only socialist by name, it's just purely fascism which is nationalism and authoritarianism by nature which leads to racism and oppression naturally.

3. Communism is the belief that all people are equal and should be free from oppression, all industry should be owned by the people for the people and no one should be better off than anyone else. This is ultimately a good thing, it is the moral thing.

4. If the OP meant Stalinism then I'd concede that yes that's just as bad as Fascism. But Communism, no matter what side of the spectrum you're on, whether or not you think it can be achieved, ultimately has good hearted values behind it whereas Fascism does not.
Original post by Falcatas
No it isn't. It doesn't contradict reality.
Egalitarianism does. Humans are not born equal.


Doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated equally.
Original post by By Any Means
Look at the death tolls of various Communist regimes around the world. Why do these crimes go ignored while everything is about the Nazi's? Let us not forget that the Nazi's were even framed for crimes like Katyn massacre that was by the Soviets.


Is this the biggest double standard in history?

Communist symbol should be more offensive than any Swastika given how many suffered because of it.


Because people cannot think for themselves. They are rewarded for thinking according to what an information constructions says they should think.

It's all got to do with who provides political lobbying power and who owns the media.

They don't make many TV programmes and speeches about the suffering in the Gulags. And they dress up Nazi Germany to have been unique in its ore of race which even Churchill had at the time. The idea that race does not exist is a propaganda lie and those who made it don't follow it.



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Original post by anosmianAcrimony
Human civilisation is a revolt against nature.


True but but human civilisation can be an expression or derivative or nature, e.g. Me falling in love and making a baby or it can be an antithesis of nature e.g. A mixture of cultural Marxism and transgenderism and transhumanism; implanting a womb in a man for equality reasons, carrying out laboratory insemination, adding in some skin colour to create more equality, then having a boy who turns into a girl.



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Original post by James Milibanter
Doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated equally.


They should have equal rights but that is it.

How can you believe in equal treatment if it is permissible to take from some and not from others?
One word:
Stalin!
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Original post by Falcatas
They should have equal rights but that is it.

How can you believe in equal treatment if it is permissible to take from some and not from others?


I'm not a Communist, I don't believe everyone should be treated equally.
Original post by James Milibanter

3. Communism is the belief that all people are equal and should be free from oppression, all industry should be owned by the people for the people and no one should be better off than anyone else. This is ultimately a good thing, it is the moral thing.

4. If the OP meant Stalinism then I'd concede that yes that's just as bad as Fascism. But Communism, no matter what side of the spectrum you're on, whether or not you think it can be achieved, ultimately has good hearted values behind it whereas Fascism does not.


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Original post by HigherMinion

Ok.


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Original post by James Milibanter
I can't see whatever it is...


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>Communism is the irrational belief that all people are equal and should be free from oppression

There, I fixed that for you.

The problem communism doesn't work is just that: people aren't equal. Biologically or socially. Forcing those forces to become equal somehow is more oppressive than what we have right now.
Original post by James Milibanter
1. Socialism isn't bad, it's done more for the people than any other political movement.

2. National Socialism is only socialist by name, it's just purely fascism which is nationalism and authoritarianism by nature which leads to racism and oppression naturally.

3. Communism is the belief that all people are equal and should be free from oppression, all industry should be owned by the people for the people and no one should be better off than anyone else. This is ultimately a good thing, it is the moral thing.

4. If the OP meant Stalinism then I'd concede that yes that's just as bad as Fascism. But Communism, no matter what side of the spectrum you're on, whether or not you think it can be achieved, ultimately has good hearted values behind it whereas Fascism does not.


Socialism and Communism advocate theft and rule of the mob. They lead to poorer economies were innovation and risk taking (entrepreneurs creating business and wealth) is punished.

National Socialism was a socialist state. Factories were run by the state, factories "owners" were not truly owners at all. They had to comply with what the state ordered them to make and how many to make.

Communism is incompatible with the nature of reality. People are not of equal ability and intelligence. It is not right to deny people to use their abilities to profit through cooperation.

Socialism and Communism inevitably lead to totalitarianism. It is the only way to you can truly control the economy.
Original post by Falcatas
Socialism and Communism advocate theft and rule of the mob. They lead to poorer economies were innovation and risk taking (entrepreneurs creating business and wealth) is punished.

National Socialism was a socialist state. Factories were run by the state, factories "owners" were not truly owners at all. They had to comply with what the state ordered them to make and how many to make.

Communism is incompatible with the nature of reality. People are not of equal ability and intelligence. It is not right to deny people to use their abilities to profit through cooperation.

Socialism and Communism inevitably lead to totalitarianism. It is the only way to you can truly control the economy.

1. I'd argue that it's the opposite, it leads to more people being capable due to state education (product of socialism) and such to be able to go out and become wealth generators which therefore helps the economy.

2. True as well, but I was making the point about Fascism, communism and fascism are very different.

3. Exactly, profit through cooperation! Socialism is the embodiment of Cooperation and allows many more to profit than just a select few.

4. While this is true of communism (as I have said, I'm not a communist) this is not true of the libertarian strains of socialism.
Original post by James Milibanter
1. I'd argue that it's the opposite, it leads to more people being capable due to state education (product of socialism) and such to be able to go out and become wealth generators which therefore helps the economy.

2. True as well, but I was making the point about Fascism, communism and fascism are very different.

3. Exactly, profit through cooperation! Socialism is the embodiment of Cooperation and allows many more to profit than just a select few.

4. While this is true of communism (as I have said, I'm not a communist) this is not true of the libertarian strains of socialism.


The state will teach children what is in their own interest and parents do not get much of a say. In a free society, parents will send to their children to a school of their choice dependant on what values they subscribe to.
There may be other alternatives such as home schooling etc.

It is rarely that anyone who goes to a state school is a "wealth generator". Wealth is only really created by entrepreneurs.
Also the who fact that socialist state spend money that doesn't even exist.

Select few profit? Everyone profits. Profit just means you are making a net gain.

4. Libertarian socialism cannot exist. It will eventually lead to a state or some centralised body.
Democratic rule just because the state.
Original post by Falcatas
The state will teach children what is in their own interest and parents do not get much of a say. In a free society, parents will send to their children to a school of their choice dependant on what values they subscribe to.
There may be other alternatives such as home schooling etc.

It is rarely that anyone who goes to a state school is a "wealth generator". Wealth is only really created by entrepreneurs.
Also the who fact that socialist state spend money that doesn't even exist.

Select few profit? Everyone profits. Profit just means you are making a net gain.

4. Libertarian socialism cannot exist. It will eventually lead to a state or some centralised body.
Democratic rule just because the state.


If the state isn't deciding the curriculum then the school is. Either way, the child will rarely ever learn what he wants to unless he does it by himself which he would be able to do in a socialist country or in a "free society".

The workers are the ones generating wealth, the entrepreneurs are the ones that hire the workers. Your oversimplification of these things doesn't help your case a socialist state can give anyone the opportunity to become an entrepreneur/worker/wealth generator.

No not everyone profits. Unless there's some form of wealth distribution or some form of equality of opportunity then the wealth/profits will be concentrated at the top of society and shared between a select few.

And wrong again. Here's one example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia
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Original post by By Any Means
Look at the death tolls of various Communist regimes around the world. Why do these crimes go ignored while everything is about the Nazi's? Let us not forget that the Nazi's were even framed for crimes like Katyn massacre that was by the Soviets.


Is this the biggest double standard in history?

Communist symbol should be more offensive than any Swastika given how many suffered because of it.


Because communism still is in use today and is being used by the elites to trick people into thinking it is the only other solution to corrupt capitalism so they have made it more acceptable even though it did kill more people.
Original post by SeaPony
Because communism still is in use today and is being used by the elites to trick people into thinking it is the only other solution to corrupt capitalism so they have made it more acceptable even though it did kill more people.


The elites have a vested interest in making sure that Communism is NOT a solution, just think about all the money that's been spent over the years on anti-commy propaganda. I can guarantee that even in the 30s-40s more was spent on anti-commy than anti-nazi. The difference is that Communism is for equality, Fascism is for oppression.
Reply 57
Oh you still think that the rich and elites hate communism oh no they love the movement if they control it and hate it if they don't. Globalism uses communism and socialism as the attractive new trendy alternative to capitalist corruption when it is even more corrupt and authoritarian than what we live in now.
Original post by SeaPony
Oh you still think that the rich and elites hate communism oh no they love the movement if they control it and hate it if they don't. Globalism uses communism and socialism as the attractive new trendy alternative to capitalist corruption when it is even more corrupt and authoritarian than what we live in now.


If the elites love communism then why is the centre ground of british politics drifting further and further right? Labour are more for Globalisation than the Tories yet Labour sit on the right side of the spectrum. Surely if what you're saying was true then this "love of communism" would be evident and exploited...
Reply 59
Oh the Liberal Tories are just being held back by their backbenchers which still care about Britain. Trust me Cameron is the biggest elitist leftist you could ever meet it is all a show to please the backbenchers.

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