This school has ZERO native born children
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Original post by scrotgrot
How glad I am that that indefatigable public servant and major donor to a certain political party Richard Desmond has brought this to our attention.
Since immigrants are net contributors (due to restrictions on access to certain benefits and public services, and being more likely to be of working age), it would seem the immigrants are paying for this and all other schools of every ethnic make-up more so than the native Brits are.
Schools where no children speak English, and all that that image represents, are a travesty: but it's attitudes like yours, ironically, which do the most to increase ghettoisation on the basis of race, religion and culture. Now, if we grew up and started investing in things like social housing, social engineering could be done to reverse this process.
But then doubtless we would end up with a modern version of "want a ****** for a neighbour, vote Labour" by the same sort of people as are currently whinging about ghettoisation.
Since immigrants are net contributors (due to restrictions on access to certain benefits and public services, and being more likely to be of working age), it would seem the immigrants are paying for this and all other schools of every ethnic make-up more so than the native Brits are.
Schools where no children speak English, and all that that image represents, are a travesty: but it's attitudes like yours, ironically, which do the most to increase ghettoisation on the basis of race, religion and culture. Now, if we grew up and started investing in things like social housing, social engineering could be done to reverse this process.
But then doubtless we would end up with a modern version of "want a ****** for a neighbour, vote Labour" by the same sort of people as are currently whinging about ghettoisation.
Preach
Original post by Rakas21
You want a divided population?
With an attitude like yours it wouldn't surprise me that immigrants want to keep to themselves. I really don't care
Original post by scrotgrot
How glad I am that that indefatigable public servant and major donor to a certain political party Richard Desmond has brought this to our attention.
Since immigrants are net contributors (due to restrictions on access to certain benefits and public services, and being more likely to be of working age), it would seem the immigrants are paying for this and all other schools of every ethnic make-up more so than the native Brits are.
Schools where no children speak English, and all that that image represents, are a travesty: but it's attitudes like yours, ironically, which do the most to increase ghettoisation on the basis of race, religion and culture. Now, if we grew up and started investing in things like social housing, social engineering could be done to reverse this process.
But then doubtless we would end up with a modern version of "want a ****** for a neighbour, vote Labour" by the same sort of people as are currently whinging about ghettoisation.
And all the while, our white British ruling class are laughing all the way to the bank.
Since immigrants are net contributors (due to restrictions on access to certain benefits and public services, and being more likely to be of working age), it would seem the immigrants are paying for this and all other schools of every ethnic make-up more so than the native Brits are.
Schools where no children speak English, and all that that image represents, are a travesty: but it's attitudes like yours, ironically, which do the most to increase ghettoisation on the basis of race, religion and culture. Now, if we grew up and started investing in things like social housing, social engineering could be done to reverse this process.
But then doubtless we would end up with a modern version of "want a ****** for a neighbour, vote Labour" by the same sort of people as are currently whinging about ghettoisation.
And all the while, our white British ruling class are laughing all the way to the bank.
non-EU immigrants are not "net contributors", they are a massive drain on resources, they have come at a cost of nearly £120bn since 1995 according to this study
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html
Maybe we'll see the left taking up the cause adopted by their brethren in the Netherlands:
Children Take To Amsterdam Streets To Demand White Classmates
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/25/children-take-to-amsterdam-streets-to-demand-white-classmates/
Children Take To Amsterdam Streets To Demand White Classmates
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/25/children-take-to-amsterdam-streets-to-demand-white-classmates/
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
There is a correlation between people who think everything is a Marxist conspiracy and reading the daily mail 
Are you really trying to tell us that the idea that there are one, different races of humans (which is scientifically *******s) and that some races are superior to others. Racism is prejudice and as per usual it is prejudice based on ignorance and stupidity. You don't have to be a marxist to think that. You seem to be suggestion that racism is fine and not prejudicial. Which speaks poorly of you.
Are you really trying to tell us that the idea that there are one, different races of humans (which is scientifically *******s) and that some races are superior to others. Racism is prejudice and as per usual it is prejudice based on ignorance and stupidity. You don't have to be a marxist to think that. You seem to be suggestion that racism is fine and not prejudicial. Which speaks poorly of you.
The irony is, I never mentioned anything to do with conspiracy in my post. Marxists have their own school of thought in sociology, you know. To normal people, it's simply prejudice/discrimination based on race, which means anybody can be racist by acknowledging race. To the Marxist, only a white man can be racist. I'll find you an example in this book:
Original post by The Epicurean
What has segregation got to do with the message I posted?
But do you not agree that the thread title is misleading? The article is about students who speak English as a second language. Speaking English as a second language =/= foreign born.
But do you not agree that the thread title is misleading? The article is about students who speak English as a second language. Speaking English as a second language =/= foreign born.
Speaking English as a second language = born of foreign parents with a foreign culture, unwilling to assimilate. It doesn't mean they should forget their own heritage, but they should be speaking English at a bare minimum.
Also... 859 pupils requiring the attention of 161 staff + 35 volunteers? No wonder the left love diversity. Expanding the public sector at every opportunity.
Original post by thesabbath
non-EU immigrants are not "net contributors", they are a massive drain on resources, they have come at a cost of nearly £120bn since 1995 according to this study
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html
Assuming the study is valid, I stand quite considerably corrected. And that is why we have, and should have in my view, tighter controls on non-EU immigration. I have no love for cheap labour.
However, given that we are not going to deport or genocide immigrants, I still see no argument for not getting on and building the schools/infrastructure we need, at a deficit or not. This *******s about immigration is just a way for the right wing to blame their running down of public services and other restrictions on supply (see also the Tories under Thatcher and Major) on an ersatz demand problem.
However you still have some cause to be red-faced: on your crude metric non-EU immigrants are still a better option than the native population:
Your article
Immigrants who came to live in Britain from outside Europe cost the public purse nearly £120 billion over 17 years, a new report has shown. The major academic study also found, however, that recent immigration from Europe – driven by the surge in arrivals from eastern European – gave the economy a £4.4 billion boost over the same period. Experts from University College London also said native Britons made a negative contribution of £591 billion over the 17 years – because of the country’s massive deficit.
Changing tack a little, I assume from the above that you favour continued free movement of EU migrants, whom the same study shows are net contributors, despite some of the poorest Eastern European nations acceding during the term of the study.
I assume further that you would support the right of EU immigrants to vote in the upcoming EU referendum and not the right of Commonwealth citizens to vote.
Original post by The Epicurean
Their second language is English? That doesn't mean they are not British or that they aren't born in the UK, just that the language they speak at home is not English. I reckon I could find a school in North Wales where many of the students speak Welsh as their first language. But that wouldn't cause as much outrage.
I've highlighted the part that makes this state of affairs unsurprising.
Original post by thesabbath
Also... 859 pupils requiring the attention of 161 staff + 35 volunteers? No wonder the left love diversity. Expanding the public sector at every opportunity.
That's the thing about part-time and zero-hours contracts (and indeed volunteering): more actual people employed, although they earn commensurately less, and more turnover to boot. I hardly think they are any less than thirty to a classroom in practice.
I thought by now you would have learned that greater numbers employed - but no real underlying change in man-hours or pay - is the effect of employment "liberalisation", given how gleefully the Tories have been trumpeting the "employment miracle" (but not the low pay, poor conditions flip side).
Original post by scrotgrot
Assuming the study is valid, I stand quite considerably corrected. And that is why we have, and should have in my view, tighter controls on non-EU immigration. I have no love for cheap labour.
However, given that we are not going to deport or genocide immigrants, I still see no argument for not getting on and building the schools/infrastructure we need, at a deficit or not. This *******s about immigration is just a way for the right wing to blame their running down of public services and other restrictions on supply (see also the Tories under Thatcher and Major) on an ersatz demand problem.
However you still have some cause to be red-faced: on your crude metric non-EU immigrants are still a better option than the native population:
However, given that we are not going to deport or genocide immigrants, I still see no argument for not getting on and building the schools/infrastructure we need, at a deficit or not. This *******s about immigration is just a way for the right wing to blame their running down of public services and other restrictions on supply (see also the Tories under Thatcher and Major) on an ersatz demand problem.
However you still have some cause to be red-faced: on your crude metric non-EU immigrants are still a better option than the native population:
the massive cost of natives is because we have a socialist welfare state, but you seemingly want to expand that.
besides, what happens when immigrants become citizens? the positive contributions get removed from the immigrant column and the negative contributions get moved into the "native" column
Original post by TurboCretin
I've highlighted the part that makes this state of affairs unsurprising.
And it is surprising that a school within a multicultural area of Birmingham has a large student population who speak languages other than English as a first language at home?
Original post by Rakas21
It's pretty disgusting and such schools should be closed.
How and why?
Original post by HigherMinion
Is it wrong of that place to want to preserve its heritage? Or don't you care at all for social cohesion?
Is it wrong of that place to want to preserve its heritage? Or don't you care at all for social cohesion?
No, but I don't see how the Brits in the area will stop them from preserving said heritage.
No Brit will be able to stop a Spaniard from eating the food they want to, drinking the drinks they want to, dressing in the way they want to, worshipping whicherver religious God they want to, listening to whatever music they want to... etc etc. A Brit would not be able to stop them from having ''marching bands conducted by children who simply love their village and its history'', or anything similar.
If the Spaniards freely choose to adopt the British culture over their own then they only have themselves to blame for the destruction of their heritage. Those who wish to carry on living in the way they always have can continue doing so.
Original post by thesabbath
Maybe we'll see the left taking up the cause adopted by their brethren in the Netherlands:
Children Take To Amsterdam Streets To Demand White Classmates
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/25/children-take-to-amsterdam-streets-to-demand-white-classmates/
Children Take To Amsterdam Streets To Demand White Classmates
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/25/children-take-to-amsterdam-streets-to-demand-white-classmates/
I see you now support the integration and mixing of white and non-white people.
Original post by The Epicurean
And it is surprising that a school within a multicultural area of Birmingham has a large student population who speak languages other than English as a first language at home?
That isn't what I was saying. It is surprising that not a single student at a school in England speaks English as their first language. That's the point of the headline. It wouldn't be surprising for many students at a school located in a region where Welsh is an official language to speak Welsh as their first language. The example wouldn't even have been comparable if all students at such a school spoke Welsh as their first language.
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Original post by SHallowvale
I see you now support the integration and mixing of white and non-white people.
I see you now support the integration and mixing of white and non-white people.
I see that given freedom of association people stick to their own.
We saw in the USA that "desegregation busing" was used to forcibly mix unwilling white and black populations, and yet years later, schools again tend towards assembling along ethnic lines.
We see that in Europe, if white parents do not want to send their children to a school in which they will be an minority in their own nation, they for now have that right, and schools like this are the result.
Original post by TurboCretin
That isn't what I was saying. It is surprising that not a single student at a school in England speaks English as their first language. That's the point of the headline. It wouldn't be surprising for many students at a school located in a region where Welsh is an official language to speak Welsh as their first language. The example wouldn't even have been comparable if all students at such a school spoke Welsh as their first language.
I don't think it is that surprising. Birmingham is a large British city, in a globalised era, that has been a favoured destination for many EU and non-EU citizens who have immigrated to England.
My criticisms in my original post were labelled at the thread title. The newspaper article and the thread title are not equivalent in what they are stating. Hence I provided the example of North Wales.
Original post by thesabbath
I see that given freedom of association people stick to their own.
We see that in Europe, if white parents do not want to send their children to a school in which they will be an minority in their own nation, they for now have that right, and schools like this are the result.
We see that in Europe, if white parents do not want to send their children to a school in which they will be an minority in their own nation, they for now have that right, and schools like this are the result.
Or, Birmingham city centre is a largely non-white area so you are likely to get majority non-white schools such as this.
Original post by SHallowvale
Or, Birmingham city centre is a largely non-white area so you are likely to get majority non-white schools such as this.
...and why do you believe it is a largely non-white area?
Original post by The Epicurean
I don't think it is that surprising. Birmingham is a large British city, in a globalised era, that has been a favoured destination for many EU and non-EU citizens who have immigrated to England.
I was only surprised by the totality of it. I suppose on reflection that there would be a squeeze-out effect. Once the majority of the intake of a given school speaks little to no English, it's easy to see why parents of native speakers of English might send them elsewhere.
Original post by SHallowvale
How and why?
No, but I don't see how the Brits in the area will stop them from preserving said heritage.
No Brit will be able to stop a Spaniard from eating the food they want to, drinking the drinks they want to, dressing in the way they want to, worshipping whicherver religious God they want to, listening to whatever music they want to... etc etc. A Brit would not be able to stop them from having ''marching bands conducted by children who simply love their village and its history'', or anything similar.
If the Spaniards freely choose to adopt the British culture over their own then they only have themselves to blame for the destruction of their heritage. Those who wish to carry on living in the way they always have can continue doing so.
I see you now support the integration and mixing of white and non-white people.
No, but I don't see how the Brits in the area will stop them from preserving said heritage.
No Brit will be able to stop a Spaniard from eating the food they want to, drinking the drinks they want to, dressing in the way they want to, worshipping whicherver religious God they want to, listening to whatever music they want to... etc etc. A Brit would not be able to stop them from having ''marching bands conducted by children who simply love their village and its history'', or anything similar.
If the Spaniards freely choose to adopt the British culture over their own then they only have themselves to blame for the destruction of their heritage. Those who wish to carry on living in the way they always have can continue doing so.
I see you now support the integration and mixing of white and non-white people.
You didn't quite get the point I was trying to make, which is about "white flight" coupled with the natives being out-birthed and displaced. Sure, the few Spaniards that remain can continue eating greasy rice and waste public money with their fireworks in celebration of saints from yonder... But eventually the English and Romanian population (the two largest immigrant groups in the non-hypothetical village/town I am thinking of) will surpass those Spanish and no body will turn up to the celebrations. They will lose all significance.
And then, the village will become yet another spiritual desert, simply viewed as a large open-plan housing estate for workers. Great.
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