Ethnic minorities for Western Civilisation
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Original post by Shqiptare
Ironically, Marx and Engels were champions of free-market capitalism and Western supremacy: they supported the US’s conquest of California from Mexico in the 1840s; supported Britain’s and France’s military intervention against Russia in the 1850s; and cheered the Ottoman military campaign against Serbia in the 1870s. They supported colonialism in China and North Africa.
Wtf has that got to do with free-market capitalism?
Original post by SotonianOne
Wtf has that got to do with free-market capitalism?
It wasn't intended as an insult to capitalism, but Marx and Engles considered capitalism a necessary 'stage of development' for feudal peoples in the road to Communism, and as a result supported imperialism by capitalist powers in pre-capitalist lands.
Original post by Lady Comstock
Would you say someone with cancer is in bad or ill health?
I assume this is leading into some sort of argument concerning equivocal circumstances? Good and bad health is not defined in the same way as good and bad values. Health has a logical endpoint on a fixed spectrum (from perfect to death) , it might be a complex spectrum but it exists. Values are not measured on a finite scale as that assumes absolute premises (in so far as universality of concept) are used to measure the system of values in an essentially point based way (ie its very moral so +1 to its goodness). The issue is that terms such as moral, right and better are subjective in dealing with anything particularly so in terms of value systems because there is no fixed premises with objective validity.
Original post by Shqiptare
Ironically, Marx and Engels were champions of free-market capitalism and Western supremacy: they supported the US’s conquest of California from Mexico in the 1840s; supported Britain’s and France’s military intervention against Russia in the 1850s; and cheered the Ottoman military campaign against Serbia in the 1870s. They supported colonialism in China and North Africa.
See? OP was creating divisions when there aren't any
Theres positives and negatives in western culture like there is in every culture
I wouldnt say western culture is the best but thats because i wasnt born here.
I wouldnt say western culture is the best but thats because i wasnt born here.
Original post by Shqiptare
Ironically, Marx and Engels were champions of free-market capitalism and Western supremacy: they supported the US’s conquest of California from Mexico in the 1840s; supported Britain’s and France’s military intervention against Russia in the 1850s; and cheered the Ottoman military campaign against Serbia in the 1870s. They supported colonialism in China and North Africa.
It is true Marx and Engels thought that capitalism (although not free markets) was a necessary condition for development and as such were in favour of whatever interventions pro-capitalist countries made in pre-capitalist societies.
The Ottoman bit however is puzzling . What has Western supremacy to do with the Ottomans? Marx and Engels were in favour of Ottoman intervention in the Balkans to stave off Russia influence (which they thought was anti-western and thus anti-capitalist)
Original post by Cornelius
The Ottoman bit however is puzzling . What has Western supremacy to do with the Ottomans? Marx and Engels were in favour of Ottoman intervention in the Balkans to stave off Russia influence (which they thought was anti-western and thus anti-capitalist)
It was more of an aside than anything else, although it feeds into Karl Marx's and Engles' racism and belief in 'counter revolutionary nations' fit only to be forcibly assimilated or exterminated. Marx and Engles hated the Serbs, whom they seemed to regard as little more than bandits. But their hatred was particularly directed against the Czechs and the Croats. Following the failure of the 1848 Revolution, in 1849 Engels called for a “war of annihilation of the Germans against the Czechs” as the “only possible solution”; he described the Croats as a “naturally counter-revolutionary nation” and looked forward to the day when the Germans and Magyars would “annihilate all these small pig-headed nations [meaning the slavic people of the Hapsburg Empire] even to their very names.”
Original post by Shqiptare
Ironically, Marx and Engels were champions of free-market capitalism and Western supremacy: they supported the US’s conquest of California from Mexico in the 1840s; supported Britain’s and France’s military intervention against Russia in the 1850s; and cheered the Ottoman military campaign against Serbia in the 1870s. They supported colonialism in China and North Africa.
Was the Soviet Empire dedicated to the destruction of the Capitalist Western world? The Answer is yes. All of the narratives which dominate the modern progressive/politically correct left are Marxist narratives with the same intention.
It doesn't matter what Marx and Engels said. Marxism as an ideology has been viriluntly anti western for well over a hundred years.
Yes, not all Marxists hate the West, but not all Muslims hate the West. This does not mean there isn't a serious problem with radical Islam and Jihad against the West.
My friends and family fled the horrors of Marxism in the East, where tens of millions were murdered. Their rise to power was swift. People have to recognise that the scum never went away, they still want to bring down civilisation.
The scary thing is they have lots of power in UK and the West. Their narratives dominate popular opinion. Hate speech laws of example have nothing to do with hate speech, and everything to do with criminalising dissent. This is classic Marxism when they get into power.
High divorce rates, broken homes, abortions a plenty and obesity. Western values are by no means superior.
Ignoring the fact that values also differ quite a bit between 'Western' countries anyway so as a term it is meaningless.
Ignoring the fact that values also differ quite a bit between 'Western' countries anyway so as a term it is meaningless.
Original post by Blaq_widow
High divorce rates, broken homes, abortions a plenty and obesity. Western values are by no means superior.
Ignoring the fact that values also differ quite a bit between 'Western' countries anyway so as a term it is meaningless.
Ignoring the fact that values also differ quite a bit between 'Western' countries anyway so as a term it is meaningless.
If high abortion rates, obesity and divorce rates are all we have to worry about i would say that proves the point western society is superior
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