Why do women object to being objectified
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Original post by aaronlowe
Ok I chose my words badly then. But it seems you are trying to disciminate me as being a sexist when I clearly am not.
Was talking to some female colleagues at work today. They didn't see what I said as sexist at all. What they did say was this:
That to some degree we need to objectify to interact with the world, but what feminists and women fight is when this it taken too far and becomes abusive.
Also they said that they don't like the kind of reactionist femenism I was facing and that it was causing a backlash that was hurting the lives and freedoms of women.
When I asked why they could give such a mature response yet I couldn't find this online they pointed out that it was a student forum, implying that younger people communicating with anonymity are unlikely to behave maturely.
Was talking to some female colleagues at work today. They didn't see what I said as sexist at all. What they did say was this:
That to some degree we need to objectify to interact with the world, but what feminists and women fight is when this it taken too far and becomes abusive.
Also they said that they don't like the kind of reactionist femenism I was facing and that it was causing a backlash that was hurting the lives and freedoms of women.
When I asked why they could give such a mature response yet I couldn't find this online they pointed out that it was a student forum, implying that younger people communicating with anonymity are unlikely to behave maturely.
Also the purpose of this thread was to justify the objectification of women, because they do it to themselves. Why do you support women being treated as nothing more than objects?
Basically dude, you said that women shouldn't object to being objectified because they do it to themselves. You said a woman showing her legs means she objectifies herself. Objectify = see/treat as an object rather than a human; being superficial of the body and ignoring other human traits; viewing as sex object. If you misworded everything you said, then that's okay but you still probably shouldn't have created a thread to justify the objection of women. If everything you said you truly believe:
All humans have a body. They also have dreams, feelings, qualifications and jobs, friends, opinions. When a person is alone in their room naked, they are still that full human being, with each of their different aspects.
When you're with your girlfriend, in bed, naked, she is still that same human as when she's naked alone. She still has political beliefs, she still has a job. When You go to the beach and she's in a bikini exposing most of her body, she's still 100% human - she cares about the environment, she enjoys baking or whatever - she isn't reduced to her body just because she's showing it.
For men to perceive her as nothing more than an object when your girlfriend wears a short dress is wrong, because she's still the same human as she was when she was naked in her bedroom alone. Of course her body will draw attention, and those men know nothing about her personality, but she still deserves to be seen as 100% human rather than just a body.
All humans have a body. They also have dreams, feelings, qualifications and jobs, friends, opinions. When a person is alone in their room naked, they are still that full human being, with each of their different aspects.
When you're with your girlfriend, in bed, naked, she is still that same human as when she's naked alone. She still has political beliefs, she still has a job. When You go to the beach and she's in a bikini exposing most of her body, she's still 100% human - she cares about the environment, she enjoys baking or whatever - she isn't reduced to her body just because she's showing it.
For men to perceive her as nothing more than an object when your girlfriend wears a short dress is wrong, because she's still the same human as she was when she was naked in her bedroom alone. Of course her body will draw attention, and those men know nothing about her personality, but she still deserves to be seen as 100% human rather than just a body.
Next time I see a man in the street I'm going to whistle at him and tell him how nice his ass looks, and not only will I follow him around for the next 20 minutes I'll make sure I'll verbally harass him as to why he won't give me his number.
For a change.
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Original post by mmmmmmmmmmmmm
Yep. Agree with you. Women who wear revealing clothes and dress like sluts leaving nothing to the imagination are asking to be objectified. You never see men wearing tight fitting clothes to show an erect penis in public while these women have their boobs hanging freely in the air. Smh
Oh yes of course nit like you would ever see men going around topless.
Original post by Daisy21
lamest vlog ever.
Original post by awesomewarsome
Next time I see a man in the street I'm going to whistle at him and tell him how nice his ass looks, and not only will I follow him around for the next 20 minutes I'll make sure I'll verbally harass him as to why he won't give me his number.
For a change.
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Cool story, bro.
silly feminists
post the video once you've done it for lols.
Original post by awesomewarsome
Next time I see a man in the street I'm going to whistle at him and tell him how nice his ass looks, and not only will I follow him around for the next 20 minutes I'll make sure I'll verbally harass him as to why he won't give me his number.For a change.Posted from TSR Mobile
I don't understand why people assume that if I see a woman objectifying herself that means she's _just_ a sexual object. Cars have wheels. That doesn't make them wheels.
I also don't understand some of the aggressive language used by women in the forum, using words like slut, when that was not the tone of the OP. I see that as an attempt at hijacking. That's the immature behaviour I was referring to. When I make a statement about a thread doesn't mean I'm neccessarily talking about you.
And I think my work colleagues had a point about feninism taking things too far that might be getting lost here.
I also don't understand some of the aggressive language used by women in the forum, using words like slut, when that was not the tone of the OP. I see that as an attempt at hijacking. That's the immature behaviour I was referring to. When I make a statement about a thread doesn't mean I'm neccessarily talking about you.
And I think my work colleagues had a point about feninism taking things too far that might be getting lost here.
There is a difference between all women being marketed as sex objects, and individual women choosing to dress in a certain way.
I hate being objectified because as a 16 year old it makes me feel violated to have older men whistling and shouting explicit suggestions towards me just because I chose to wear a vest top under an open shirt in the middle of summer. Regardless of how women are dressed, they have a right to feel safe in their own communities and objectification can lead to genuine fear for vulnerable young girls (as well as older women) who are already self-conscious enough about their bodies.
Obviously men are also objectified, and I don't believe that that's ok either, as all people should be regarded as more than just objects, but as I've never experienced objectification towards men personally I can't really comment on whether the experience is completely the same as I only have a female perspective to go on.
Obviously men are also objectified, and I don't believe that that's ok either, as all people should be regarded as more than just objects, but as I've never experienced objectification towards men personally I can't really comment on whether the experience is completely the same as I only have a female perspective to go on.
Original post by gaby0912
I hate being objectified because as a 16 year old it makes me feel violated to have older men whistling and shouting explicit suggestions towards me just because I chose to wear a vest top under an open shirt in the middle of summer. Regardless of how women are dressed, they have a right to feel safe in their own communities and objectification can lead to genuine fear for vulnerable young girls (as well as older women) who are already self-conscious enough about their bodies.
Obviously men are also objectified, and I don't believe that that's ok either, as all people should be regarded as more than just objects, but as I've never experienced objectification towards men personally I can't really comment on whether the experience is completely the same as I only have a female perspective to go on.
Obviously men are also objectified, and I don't believe that that's ok either, as all people should be regarded as more than just objects, but as I've never experienced objectification towards men personally I can't really comment on whether the experience is completely the same as I only have a female perspective to go on.
So, is appreciating someone's sexual appeal possible without objectifying them?
Original post by Daisy21
Surely anyone who posts on TSR is an attention seeker by definition. Being social is being an attention seeker.
Even the mods are attention seekers through their actions.
Because no human wants to be treated as solely a sexual object...?
Original post by aaronlowe
So, is appreciating someone's sexual appeal possible without objectifying them?
I think so. If you're genuinely considering them as a person with feelings, rather than just as a sexual being then I don't really have a problem with it. For example, if someone was to give me a complement relating to how I look that would be fine if they're doing it in a considerate way, or if someone started a conversation with me that involved them 'appreciating my sexual appeal' I would be perfectly ok with that, as long as I hadn't told them previously that they were making me feel uncomfortable (to be honest, in either of these cases I'd probably be very flattered). The issue comes when men are shouting explicit comments out of their car windows, because it is clear that at that point they are objectifying me, rather than seeing me as more than just something for them to use.
Honestly, I think it all comes down to the relationship between the people involved and the way they deliver what they're trying to say. If it's a one-on-one conversation without the pressure of someone trying to feel like 'one of the lads' and they talk to me whilst looking me in the eyes, great. If they are shouting, heckling, in a large group or are not actually looking at my face whilst they speak (regardless of what they're actually saying) then it tends to feel intimidating and insincere, and that's when objectification takes place as they're no longer being respectful. I think respect is really the key issue - if you're expressing your view about a woman's body in a respectful way, then it's not an problem as you're showing them courtesy and not viewing them as an object. If you're being disrespectful that's when objectification starts to sneal in.
This part is not quite as relevant, but I also think age plays quite a part. If someone older than me (that should know better) makes a comment, I'm much more likely to take offense to it. This is largely due to the power imbalance that this creates, which again leads to feeling intimidated, but may be slightly attributed to the fact that they are outside of my peer group, so are again less likely to respect me as an individual by thinking of me as their equal.
Again, these views aren't held by all women, but are just how I feel about objectification vs appreciating sexual appeal.
Legs are not sexual - appealing, attractive maybe buy not in themselves sexual. I think you misinterpreted what objectification actually is hence you're getting incredulous replies. I do agree that many women do objectify themselves which doesn't help the female cause but your example was a poor one. You seem to actually be saying it is fair or reasonable objectify a woman for showing her legs.
Getting objectified from a lower (perceived) man means her value drops if she recounted the story with her girfriends. They're just being selective & wanting to be popular, similar school reactions.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3162935&page=3&p=53889175&highlight=#post53889175
Link for the 2nd picture. (Ipad screwing it up so may need to fix yourselves)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11395576/Men-are-now-objectified-more-than-women.html - a sign that men are valuing themselves more, women are making themselves less attractive & fancy the "dad bods" so these men have less options rather than work on themselves to get a better man
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3162935&page=3&p=53889175&highlight=#post53889175
Link for the 2nd picture. (Ipad screwing it up so may need to fix yourselves)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11395576/Men-are-now-objectified-more-than-women.html - a sign that men are valuing themselves more, women are making themselves less attractive & fancy the "dad bods" so these men have less options rather than work on themselves to get a better man
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Original post by SophieBarlow87
Oh yes of course nit like you would ever see men going around topless.
But yet it is YOU men who at midnight get into your little superman duvets and turn your lights off to go on PORNHUB to watch these 'women who's dressed like sluts leaving nothing to the imagination' in order to erectify your micropenis and ejaculate to her tits. I'm sorry but you need to get a ****ing grip on yourself. If your a man, and I'm talking about a real man, you wouldn't objectify women if they were in a burqa or in a bikini on a street, have your mothers grown you to be so disgusting as to objectify a woman anyway just because she's dressed in a way which doesn't fit YOUR morals, go shave your non existent beards and educate yourself, your all little boys, not men.
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Original post by mmmmmmmmmmmmm
Yep. Agree with you. Women who wear revealing clothes and dress like sluts leaving nothing to the imagination are asking to be objectified. You never see men wearing tight fitting clothes to show an erect penis in public while these women have their boobs hanging freely in the air. Smh
But yet it is YOU men who at midnight get into your little superman duvets and turn your lights off to go on PORNHUB to watch these 'women who's dressed like sluts leaving nothing to the imagination' in order to erectify your micropenis and ejaculate to her tits. I'm sorry but you need to get a ****ing grip on yourself. If your a man, and I'm talking about a real man, you wouldn't objectify women if they were in a burqa or in a bikini on a street, have your mothers grown you to be so disgusting as to objectify a woman anyway just because she's dressed in a certain way which doesn't fit YOUR morals, go shave your non existent beards and educate yourself, your all little boys, not men.
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Original post by awesomewarsome
But yet it is YOU men who at midnight get into your little superman duvets and turn your lights off to go on PORNHUB to watch these 'women who's dressed like sluts leaving nothing to the imagination' in order to erectify your micropenis and ejaculate to her tits. I'm sorry but you need to get a ****ing grip on yourself. If your a man, and I'm talking about a real man, you wouldn't objectify women if they were in a burqa or in a bikini on a street, have your mothers grown you to be so disgusting as to objectify a woman anyway just because she's dressed in a certain way which doesn't fit YOUR morals, go shave your non existent beards and educate yourself, your all little boys, not men.
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