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Where can I find the solution to BMO problems?

There is this problem bugging me where I have to find the smallest positive integer a such that
24a2=(b+1)(b1) 24a^2 = (b+1)(b-1) for integers a and b, where a =/= 1
and b must be 1 mod4
and I'm not quite sure how to go about it
(edited 8 years ago)
haha brute forced it with a table of values... pretty sure that wasn't the way I was supposed to do it though
Original post by catastrophe exam
There is this problem bugging me where I have to find the smallest positive integer a such that
24a2=(b+1)(b1) 24a^2 = (b+1)(b-1) for integers a and b, where a =/= 1
and b must be 1 mod4
and I'm not quite sure how to go about it


It's a Pell equation i.e.
b224a2=1 b^2-24a^2=1 and one solution is b=5,a=1 b=5, a=1 but we cannot have this.
So, we write the equation as
[br](524)(5+24)=1[br](524)2(5+24)2=1[br](491024)(49+1024)=1[br]49224102=1 [br](5 - \sqrt{24} )(5+\sqrt{24} )=1[br](5 - \sqrt{24} )^2(5+\sqrt{24} )^2=1[br](49 - 10\sqrt{24} )(49+10\sqrt{24} )=1[br]49^2-24*10^2=1
so our solution is a=10 a=10

I'll assume that you haven't met Pell equations before (most people haven't, and I haven't learnt them fully yet) but in essence, this technique gives us every solution, so a=10 is indeed the smallest.

I mean, I think a table of values is the simplest in this case, 10 is a small number.

Btw, which question is this, I don't recognise it.
(edited 8 years ago)
Average of a sum of squares being integer
Original post by catastrophe exam
Average of a sum of squares being integer


Yeah, thought it might be that one, it's the only one I know that uses Pell equations.

I have no idea where you got that equation from though. I got
[br](n+1)(2n+1)=6a2[br]2n2+3n+1=6a2[br]16n2+24n+8=48a2[br](4n+3)21=48a2[br](4n+3)248a2=1 [br](n+1)(2n+1)=6a^2[br]2n^2+3n+1=6a^2[br]16n^2+24n+8=48a^2[br](4n+3)^2-1=48a^2[br](4n+3)^2-48a^2=1

which is a Pell equation. One solution is 1,1 but we can't have that.

[br]724812=1[br](748)(7+48)=1 [br]7^2-48*1^2=1[br](7-\sqrt{48} )(7+\sqrt{48} )=1
If we square this, we get:

[br](971448)(97+1448)=1 [br](97-14\sqrt{48} )(97+14\sqrt{48} )=1

but 97 isnt congruent to 3 mod4. So, turns out we have to cube it instead to get:
[br](135119548)(1351+19548)=1 [br](1351-195\sqrt{48} )(1351+195\sqrt{48} )=1
so our solution is
[br]4n+3=1351[br]4n=1348[br]n=337 [br]4n+3=1351[br]4n=1348[br]n=337
so in fact, a table of values is a very bad idea. When I first did this question, I remember there being a number theoretical approach.

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