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Reply 180
Original post by shsidk
I can't stop you from doing so.

But I can tell you that regardless of whether you do or not, you shouldn't feel that because of your position as a male in society and your sexual objectification (???) you have a say on our clothing because showing cleavage is too sexy for you and you want us to save that for our future boyfriends/husbands/.

If you don't want us telling you to stop objectifying us, then you, yourself, should stop telling US what to do whether it be wearing short skirts or having an opinion that doesn't agree with yours (as you say, "complaining":wink:.


We can tell you what to do, it's up to you to listen or shut your ears off.

The fact that you are here complaining about men telling women x or y, illustrates that you actually (perhaps sub-consciously) care what men think of you when they look at your attire.
Original post by bjrtristesse
I'm curious, do you think that your opinion is the only correct one, or do you accept that different people have different standards?

Because I can understand if you were brought up to believe that women who show skin are "lesser" or not classy, but that opinion is no more justified than anyone else's, and doesn't make you an authority.



No, but I would like to think or see the majority have similar views to me.
Yes I was, and I want to keep that way of thinking to be alive.
Original post by Jimbo1234
Oh look, another woman who forgets that we are living creatures and not robots. Parts of all animals are sexual so stop being in denial about it. If you dress as a goth and are mistaken for one, then that is your fault. The same goes for dressing like a slag. How about you put some effort in and dress with style and sophistication.

So stop dumping your insecurities on men rather than taking responsibility for your actions as the real question is what OP said, why are women dressing like slags nowadays? Why can't they dress with style or sophistication?

Get on your way? When did stripper heels and super tight clothes help with that? Don't kid yourself.


So basically you're saying that seeing women as pieces of meat is acceptable? That we should be objectified? I genuinely feel sorry for you.

And why do we have to dress with YOUR "sense of style and sophistication" which is subjective to every person? Why is there that ever present need for women to satisfy men in every aspect possible even down to our sense of style?

And I don't understand where you got the idea of insecurities? There were no implications nor flat out statements that would have suggested so. Please explain.

As for OP's question, the answer; women are more liberated nowadays. Compared to the (more so) patriarchal past, women did not have the chance to dress as they please and be expressive. Nowadays, women being able to actually make a choice in aspects as small as clothing means we DO have the opportunity to wear clothing that may appear unorthodox (to those who are stuck in the old ages). By no means does that give you the right to label them a slag. Slut shaming is not cool and really unnecessary.

Get on our way = Get on with our lives and do what we want to do without interference/judgement. And how exactly would dressing with a "sense of style and sophistication" help us either? Wearing flattering/revealing clothing shouldn't matter. Just as covering every inch of our skin shouldn't matter either. We should be able to choose what we want to do.

And when did stripper heels and super tight clothes so severely inhibit your capacity to keep quiet and mind your own business that you oh so had to comment on our clothing? Don't kid yourself, mate.
Reply 183
Original post by suofei
Can you actually see what you've just said? You're acting like a spoilt brat who doesn't like being told what to do. Get your head out of your a** and start realising that just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should and it doesn't make it right.


I was simply making the point that although women can dictate what men can and cannot do with their eyes, it doesn't mean that they should and it doesn't make it right.
Original post by SmallTownGirl
Saying that a women is not worthy of being treated like a human being if she wears a short skirt is most certainly misogyny.



So di you think that is wrong that I make sure that the younger women in my family follow and support my views on this subject ,you tell me that it is wrong, when I only seek out the best interest of my female family members.
Reply 185
Original post by Mason_
You are absolutely disgusting and a sad excuse for a human being. I pity any women who come your way, you don't deserve any.


I'm sorry. I can't converse in rhetoric...
Original post by Errm10
We can tell you what to do, it's up to you to listen or shut your ears off.

The fact that you are here complaining about men telling women x or y, illustrates that you actually (perhaps sub-consciously) care what men think of you when they look at your attire.


Then by that theory, can't I tell you what to do as well? To which you told me that I can't do so by any means and that I shouldn't "dare start ****ing complaining...". Why is that so? Can you simply not shut your ears off? Or is it so preposterous to take on a view that doesn't objectify women?

And your second statement is very poorly founded. Rather than conclude I care about what men think (which you may believe possibly because you think that is all a woman should/has the capacity to care about and it is so unbelievably impossible for a woman to actually want social justice/equality and have a POV that doesn't surround the idea of having to please a man), why not see that I care about my fellow women, the social equality of women, and eradicating the patriarchal and misogynistic views which have no place in today's society.
Can people just stop comparing a male torso to a female one? They are not the same. Breasts are sexual things, no matter how hard you try to deny it.
A topless man is inappropriate, however a topless female would just be offensive. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.

How would you feel if a 5 year old child saw a man wearing skin-tight, semi-opaque trousers showing all the details of his package? Uncomfortable? Yeah. Thought so.
Sexual revolution along with radical feminism has aided in the destruction Western society

Once upon a time young people used to get married and have kids

Now they're out spreading sexual diseases. Too obsessed with sex because the media pushes so much sexual imagery on us and you have easy access to pornography.
Reply 189
Original post by shsidk
Then by that theory, can't I tell you what to do as well? To which you told me that I can't do so by any means and that I shouldn't "dare start ****ing complaining...". Why is that so? Can you simply not shut your ears off? Or is it so preposterous to take on a view that doesn't objectify women?


It seems you're being rather petty. The fact is that you are trying to tell men to not objectify women. I'm saying we can do whatever the **** we like.

And your second statement is very poorly founded. Rather than conclude I care about what men think (which you may believe possibly because you think that is all a woman should/has the capacity to care about and it is so unbelievably impossible for a woman to actually want social justice/equality and have a POV that doesn't surround the idea of having to please a man), why not see that I care about my fellow women, the social equality of women, and eradicating the patriarchal and misogynistic views which have no place in today's society.


Perhaps if you gave less of a **** instead of trying to highlight it in every breath that you blow, society would be less patriarchal and misogynistic.

To be accepted as an equal to a man, you have to almost become a man. That is why rocker chicks and those who are aggressive in their manners seem to command respect, although grudgingly.

Acting demure and trying to keep your femininity whilst complaining about equal rights, or lack thereof, will only result in more misogyny.
Original post by Blue_Mason
No, but I would like to think or see the majority have similar views to me.
Yes I was, and I want to keep that way of thinking to be alive.


Fair enough. But as long as you acknowledge that your way of thinking is not the standard, and unfortunately for you, never will be, then you should also understand that it's okay to have views, but it doesn't mean anyone is obliged to listen to them, or take them to be some kind of universal standard.
For example, if I can be as opinionated as you, I believe your views are hypocritical, arbitrary, and very old fashioned.
From what I gather, you believe that showing excess skin is very distasteful/unclassy. But, some people (like my grandmother, for example) believe that a women wearing a skirt above your calf, or a shirt without sleeves, is indecent.
Hopefully you'll agree that that's a bit too far, so where do you draw the line?

You're entitled to your own opinion, but as you'll see, you're in the minority. That being said, I'm sure you'll find an equally judgemental woman who will join you in judging the strumpets of the world that are apparently just now crawling out of the woodwork.
Reply 191
Original post by shsidk
Then by that theory, can't I tell you what to do as well? To which you told me that I can't do so by any means and that I shouldn't "dare start ****ing complaining...". Why is that so? Can you simply not shut your ears off? Or is it so preposterous to take on a view that doesn't objectify women?

And your second statement is very poorly founded. Rather than conclude I care about what men think (which you may believe possibly because you think that is all a woman should/has the capacity to care about and it is so unbelievably impossible for a woman to actually want social justice/equality and have a POV that doesn't surround the idea of having to please a man), why not see that I care about my fellow women, the social equality of women, and eradicating the patriarchal and misogynistic views which have no place in today's society.


Make me a sandwich.
Original post by Shabalala
most other men think women wearing revealing clothing can be attractive if done right (I.e not some fat 20 stone girl with rolls of fat sticking out) me included the female body is beautiful and not something that needs to be hidden away. So what gives you the right to judge and criticise what women do with their own body, more and more people are being sexually liberated these days since religion plays a smaller and smaller part in our life, people don't regard sex as a massive deal anymore it's fun and exciting so why shouldn't young men and women have sex with each other without being judged. Males and Females trying to attract each other's attention is about as old fashioned and as natural as it gets.


This.

Although OP loosely has a point in that women shouldn't complain that men sexualise women because they do it themselves, and they do to men just as much as men do to them.

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Reply 193
Original post by Errm10
It seems you're being rather petty. The fact is that you are trying to tell men to not objectify women. I'm saying we can do whatever the **** we like.



Perhaps if you gave less of a **** instead of trying to highlight it in every breath that you blow, society would be less patriarchal and misogynistic.

To be accepted as an equal to a man, you have to almost become a man. That is why rocker chicks and those who are aggressive in their manners seem to command respect, although grudgingly.

Acting demure and trying to keep your femininity whilst complaining about equal rights, or lack thereof, will only result in more misogyny.


Double standards. If you can do whatever the **** you like and objectify women then we can dress however the **** we like. Also women shouldn't need to give up their femininity to have equal rights you brainwashed idiot. It should be automatic but of course since the beginning of time that has not been the case. You are yourself misogynistic and part of the problem so don't talk about what women should do to solve it. Maybe read up and try to become part of the solution.
Original post by Errm10
It seems you're being rather petty. The fact is that you are trying to tell men to not objectify women. I'm saying we can do whatever the **** we like.



Perhaps if you gave less of a **** instead of trying to highlight it in every breath that you blow, society would be less patriarchal and misogynistic.

To be accepted as an equal to a man, you have to almost become a man. That is why rocker chicks and those who are aggressive in their manners seem to command respect, although grudgingly.

Acting demure and trying to keep your femininity whilst complaining about equal rights, or lack thereof, will only result in more misogyny.


Rather than call me petty why not answer the question? Can I not "do whatever the the **** I like?" If not, why not?

And I extremely disagree with your second statement. Ignoring the problem doesn't solve it. Change only happens when you demand for it, it seems. Especially with social equality for women. Men really don't want to give up their self imposed superiority over the female population.

Who says that to be equal to a man you have to become a man? What kind of theory is that? Why can't equality be brought about because we are all human? Why do my feminine behaviours make me lesser than your masculine ones? If you truly believe women are inferior and weaker I'd have to strongly disagree.

So if you seem to think my (albeit relatively calm and rational) take on gender equality is wrong how do you suppose we eradicate misogyny? Give up? Educate the misogynistic?

I don't understand how I am acting demure nor how that stimulates more misogyny? I am a woman who wants other women to be treated equally. What about that screams "MORE MISOGYNY PLEASE!!!!"?

It seems as though you feel no shame in your patriarchal mindset and I'd like to challenge that. What central belief makes you so certain that men have the right to dictate the lives of women?
Reply 195
Original post by Blue_Mason
Seeing a visible thong is most upsetting.
And you can imagine the average woman not having nice skin, toned body etc, so why display anymore then you need to?


I really doubt any other than nice skin, toned body women would wear a thong visible to everyone. If they prefer it and know they don't look good in it they will cover it up cause they may feel comfortable in it.

But otherwise they will flaunt it to impress!
Original post by Josb
Make me a sandwich.


You really should get used to making your own as it seems you're highly likely to end up dying alone. Sorry buddy.
Reply 197
Original post by shsidk
Rather than call me petty why not answer the question? Can I not "do whatever the the **** I like?" If not, why not?


I didn't say you couldn't. My issue with your earlier statements were simply that you wished to do whatever you like but then you start whining about how men objectify you, which you have erroneously linked to your choice of attire.

And I extremely disagree with your second statement. Ignoring the problem doesn't solve it. Change only happens when you demand for it, it seems. Especially with social equality for women. Men really don't want to give up their self imposed superiority over the female population.


Why don't you aim higher? Why not try an attain superiority over men?

Who says that to be equal to a man you have to become a man? What kind of theory is that? Why can't equality be brought about because we are all human? Why do my feminine behaviours make me lesser than your masculine ones? If you truly believe women are inferior and weaker I'd have to strongly disagree.


You seem to disagree a lot. Perhaps you start agreeing and you will find people will like you and perhaps just start listening to you.

So if you seem to think my (albeit relatively calm and rational) take on gender equality is wrong how do you suppose we eradicate misogyny? Give up? Educate the misogynistic?


What gender inequality exists?

I don't understand how I am acting demure nor how that stimulates more misogyny? I am a woman who wants other women to be treated equally. What about that screams "MORE MISOGYNY PLEASE!!!!"?


The fact that you are speaking about what you feel women want certainly puts you on level terms with men.

There, equality achieved for you. Next please...

It seems as though you feel no shame in your patriarchal mindset and I'd like to challenge that. What central belief makes you so certain that men have the right to dictate the lives of women?


The fact that we've been doing it for thousands of years? :wink:
Reply 198
Original post by shsidk
You really should get used to making your own as it seems you're highly likely to end up dying alone. Sorry buddy.


I just like to opress you. :u:
Original post by Josb
I just like to opress you. :u:


Clearly.

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