The wage gap
Feminists of TSR, I have heard 'the wage gap' mentioned extremely often by various feminsts etc. However, I have not seen any proof of this 'wage gap'. If you have proof, would you please provide me with a source, I wish to see if there is any evidence for the claim.
Original post by tehforum
Just leaving this here.
Just leaving this here.
That guy is just an upper class **** trying to deny what is blindingly obvious to try and keep his male dominance. Numbers don't lie. The pay gap exists.
New report today from the ONS suggests women now earn MORE than men up until they hit the age of 40.
I saw it all over the BBC the other day...oh wait, no I didn't.
I saw it all over the BBC the other day...oh wait, no I didn't.
Original post by Mason_
That guy is just an upper class **** trying to deny what is blindingly obvious to try and keep his male dominance. Numbers don't lie. The pay gap exists.
You've got to understand the context before you can interpret the numbers.
Original post by Mason_
That guy is just an upper class **** trying to deny what is blindingly obvious to try and keep his male dominance. Numbers don't lie. The pay gap exists.
he's not upper class, he's just gay
Original post by zippity.doodah
he's not upper class, he's just gay
Lol.
Talking to a feminist is a bit like owning an energetic puppy. Rather than telling him off for being too energetic you just let him run and run and run, and eventually tire himself out.
There's not a feminist in the world who has actually read the ONS reports. They just read the headlines and interpret the data for their own purposes.
If they read the reports, they'd realise men are paid less when you consult the median for part-time work and on average up until the age of 40. If they'd read the reports they'd realise the ONS stipulates 'the data should not be used to determine whether women receive equal pay for equal work.'
They'd realise that the ONS stipulates men work far more overtime than women, are far more likely to relocate, are far more likely to take on hazardous professions and are far more likely to amass more experience in the workplace because they don't take time off to have children.
They'd realise the data is based off a 1% sample of the population and for all we know we could be comparing chip shop workers to CEOs. They'd realise there is no national framework for job evaluation in the UK. They'd realise that, according to leading female and male academics and economists, when you adjust for all the variables, the pay gap diminishes into no existence.
Of course, they don't want to realise of this. They never will accept any of this. To them, averages are God, perception is reality and feelings are logic. It's like negotiating with Adolf Hitler on the benefits of Judaism - you may as well not bother.
Original post by TheCitizenAct
Lol.
Talking to a feminist is a bit like owning an energetic puppy. Rather than telling him off for being too energetic you just let him run and run and run, and eventually tire himself out.
There's not a feminist in the world who has actually read the ONS reports. They just read the headlines and interpret the data for their own purposes.
If they read the reports, they'd realise men are paid less when you consult the median for part-time work and on average up until the age of 40. If they'd read the reports they'd realise the ONS stipulates 'the data should not be used to determine whether women receive equal pay for equal work.'
They'd realise that the ONS stipulates men work far more overtime than women, are far more likely to relocate, are far more likely to take on hazardous professions and are far more likely to amass more experience in the workplace because they don't take time off to have children.
They'd realise the data is based off a 1% sample of the population and for all we know we could be comparing chip shop workers to CEOs. They'd realise there is no national framework for job evaluation in the UK. They'd realise that, according to leading female and male academics and economists, when you adjust for all the variables, the pay gap diminishes into no existence.
Of course, they don't want to realise of this. They never will accept any of this. To them, averages are God, perception is reality and feelings are logic. It's like negotiating with Adolf Hitler on the benefits of Judaism - you may as well not bother.
Talking to a feminist is a bit like owning an energetic puppy. Rather than telling him off for being too energetic you just let him run and run and run, and eventually tire himself out.
There's not a feminist in the world who has actually read the ONS reports. They just read the headlines and interpret the data for their own purposes.
If they read the reports, they'd realise men are paid less when you consult the median for part-time work and on average up until the age of 40. If they'd read the reports they'd realise the ONS stipulates 'the data should not be used to determine whether women receive equal pay for equal work.'
They'd realise that the ONS stipulates men work far more overtime than women, are far more likely to relocate, are far more likely to take on hazardous professions and are far more likely to amass more experience in the workplace because they don't take time off to have children.
They'd realise the data is based off a 1% sample of the population and for all we know we could be comparing chip shop workers to CEOs. They'd realise there is no national framework for job evaluation in the UK. They'd realise that, according to leading female and male academics and economists, when you adjust for all the variables, the pay gap diminishes into no existence.
Of course, they don't want to realise of this. They never will accept any of this. To them, averages are God, perception is reality and feelings are logic. It's like negotiating with Adolf Hitler on the benefits of Judaism - you may as well not bother.
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Original post by TheCitizenAct
Lol.
Talking to a feminist is a bit like owning an energetic puppy. Rather than telling him off for being too energetic you just let him run and run and run, and eventually tire himself out.
There's not a feminist in the world who has actually read the ONS reports. They just read the headlines and interpret the data for their own purposes.
If they read the reports, they'd realise men are paid less when you consult the median for part-time work and on average up until the age of 40. If they'd read the reports they'd realise the ONS stipulates 'the data should not be used to determine whether women receive equal pay for equal work.'
They'd realise that the ONS stipulates men work far more overtime than women, are far more likely to relocate, are far more likely to take on hazardous professions and are far more likely to amass more experience in the workplace because they don't take time off to have children.
They'd realise the data is based off a 1% sample of the population and for all we know we could be comparing chip shop workers to CEOs. They'd realise there is no national framework for job evaluation in the UK. They'd realise that, according to leading female and male academics and economists, when you adjust for all the variables, the pay gap diminishes into no existence.
Of course, they don't want to realise of this. They never will accept any of this. To them, averages are God, perception is reality and feelings are logic. It's like negotiating with Adolf Hitler on the benefits of Judaism - you may as well not bother.
Talking to a feminist is a bit like owning an energetic puppy. Rather than telling him off for being too energetic you just let him run and run and run, and eventually tire himself out.
There's not a feminist in the world who has actually read the ONS reports. They just read the headlines and interpret the data for their own purposes.
If they read the reports, they'd realise men are paid less when you consult the median for part-time work and on average up until the age of 40. If they'd read the reports they'd realise the ONS stipulates 'the data should not be used to determine whether women receive equal pay for equal work.'
They'd realise that the ONS stipulates men work far more overtime than women, are far more likely to relocate, are far more likely to take on hazardous professions and are far more likely to amass more experience in the workplace because they don't take time off to have children.
They'd realise the data is based off a 1% sample of the population and for all we know we could be comparing chip shop workers to CEOs. They'd realise there is no national framework for job evaluation in the UK. They'd realise that, according to leading female and male academics and economists, when you adjust for all the variables, the pay gap diminishes into no existence.
Of course, they don't want to realise of this. They never will accept any of this. To them, averages are God, perception is reality and feelings are logic. It's like negotiating with Adolf Hitler on the benefits of Judaism - you may as well not bother.
You sir, deserve a medal
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Original post by Mason_
That guy is just an upper class **** trying to deny what is blindingly obvious to try and keep his male dominance. Numbers don't lie. The pay gap exists.
The pay gap exists, or the earning potential gap exists?
If you're implying that in most organisations, a male and female of equal age and merit who are employed into the exact same job with the exact same hours and the exact same duties, and the male is paid more, then I think that company is doing illegal stuff and should be caught out already.
There's a reason why no one is caught out, because it doesn't happen. Pay is equal amongst equal roles, and I challenge you to find me a business that states 'we pay our female employees so and so less than males' because you probably won't.
What the 'wage gap' research shows, is that Females in the UK and USA, on average, Earn less than men. This factors in few things. Females Are likely to work less hours and part-time, meaning their monthly salary is lesser. Why is this? It is usually females who take on the role of looking after the kids, or doing the 'house work' which means the husband or the man in a family will work longer so they have a living income.
If you think the way women are systematically the house keepers is wrong, I agree, but that is another issue and unrelated. Also, top paying work includes engineering and labour, ironically two fields which women are less in. There are more women in like-medical fields such as nursing and care, good fields however there is not much money in those fields, so naturally that is reflected on your salary. Nurses are paid less than engineers of all types because engineering is a field with a lot more money floating around.
And there are many more reasons I can pin to, but if you can find a shred of evidence that suggest man A and women B are paid unequal amounts when working equally, then fine. But until then, the discrepancy in 'earnings' is easily explained by the life-choices women choose, not by the employer paying them less.
Original post by migh_and_highty
There are more women in like-medical fields such as nursing and care, good fields however there is not much money in those fields, so naturally that is reflected on your salary.
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Just to add to this, the statement is often made made that 'male doctors earn more than female doctors.' It's true, they do. However, if you look at the data, right from the very offset women know which specialisms pay well, and which don't. Women are the majority in specialisms like paediatrics (pays less) and men are the majority in specialisms like heart surgery (pays more).
Women opt for a caring role, men opt for a financial role.
Finally, if we really could hire women with the same amount of experience for x amount less than men, why wouldn't workplaces be filled to the brim with women? The most rational people in society are employers - they have to be. If they could hire a resource for cheaper, they'd do it. In a heartbeat.
Original post by tehforum
Just leaving this here.
Just leaving this here.
milo is my f***ing hero
Original post by josh75
hahaha there is no wage gap women get paid what they are worth and they collectively are worth less because they work less
Bit of a harsh way to put it but I think I get what you mean. I don't think the wage gap exists in the same way some women like to think it does. It doesn't have women getting paid far less for the same work. It has women paid less for different work because they tend to go into professions that unfortunately pay less.
Original post by Mason_
That guy is just an upper class **** trying to deny what is blindingly obvious to try and keep his male dominance. Numbers don't lie. The pay gap exists.
The numbers can easily lie, it's all about how they are manipulated, analysed and presented, present while populations and it looks like there is a problem, break this down into smaller groups, less so, analyse trends and factors, and it disappears entirely.
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Original post by Jubz1
That video was shocking, they didnt let him talk at any point whilst his comments actually made sense whereas theirs were based on manipulated stats
Try watching all of Milo Yiannopolous' debates. Often, the presenter who is meant to be neutral to the discussion, sides with the opposition from the offset. The worst is that Sky News reporter who actually wouldn't let Milo speak because she couldn't handle some of the true facts he was saying.
I don't agree with all of Milo's views. He is a very right-winged person, which is fine but mainly on religion etc. he can be a bit biased, but he's dead spot-on when he talks about feminism and their theories.
I don't care about the wage gap. It is massively exaggerated. If a woman gets pregnant someone will have to cover maternity leave and still pay her. That is a cost to a business a guy doesn't incur. She is therefore going to get paid less. That or a guy will be hired.
Guys and girls also do very different subjects so you can't literally compare "in the same job" people. Guys do more STEM on the whole and these pay more really.
That said Birmingham have had to pay a huge amount in compensation due to these claims (correct me if I am wrong).
So my view is yes, it does exist. But it isn't as much of a problem as people make it out to be.
The wage gap shouldn't exist. The thigh gap though, that is a gap I want to see.
Guys and girls also do very different subjects so you can't literally compare "in the same job" people. Guys do more STEM on the whole and these pay more really.
That said Birmingham have had to pay a huge amount in compensation due to these claims (correct me if I am wrong).
So my view is yes, it does exist. But it isn't as much of a problem as people make it out to be.
The wage gap shouldn't exist. The thigh gap though, that is a gap I want to see.
It's not a wage gap, it's an earnings gap.
Women earn less because of the choices they make and the hours they work.
When they choose career paths and hours that men work they get the same pay as men(allowing for small variables).
Just as when men choose the degrees and career paths women predominantly choose they get the same pay as women. The problem being in the majority of careers men tend to work longer hours than women. For example a recent study showed how male surgeons earned more than female and it was immediately jumped on by feminists as sexism, but when an academic drilled down the figures it turns out male surgeons work on average 500 hrs a year longer than women.
Getting people to compare apples with Apple's is the almost impossible on this subject as they always seem to be pushing an agenda.
Women earn less because of the choices they make and the hours they work.
When they choose career paths and hours that men work they get the same pay as men(allowing for small variables).
Just as when men choose the degrees and career paths women predominantly choose they get the same pay as women. The problem being in the majority of careers men tend to work longer hours than women. For example a recent study showed how male surgeons earned more than female and it was immediately jumped on by feminists as sexism, but when an academic drilled down the figures it turns out male surgeons work on average 500 hrs a year longer than women.
Getting people to compare apples with Apple's is the almost impossible on this subject as they always seem to be pushing an agenda.
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