Would you report a paedophile?
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call the police - better to be safe than sorry
Original post by blueray
And I believe if it doesn't work, they should be kept away from our kids.....would you like a 50 year old stinking man to stalk your 5 year old daughter?
No didn't think so.
No didn't think so.
What're you talking about...? Paedophiles are no more likely to be child abusers than straight people are to be rapists. I do, however, believe that being a paedophile must be a torturous ordeal for them and they should receive help, in terms of therapy and perhaps medication.
Original post by im so academic
I'm not defending paedophiles at all, but adults don't choose to be attracted to children. What are you supposed to do if you are naturally attracted to children?
There's a difference between being a paedophile and being a child molester.
There's a difference between being a paedophile and being a child molester.
This is the first post you've ever made that I've agreed with.
I can tell this is the start of a beautiful relationship
OP, if you think it's ok because 'everyone goes through **** when they're a kid' then you need to rethink your opinions.
You clearly have NO idea what it is like for children in this situation and the repercussions it can have throughout their life.
If you seriously think that these children are being abused in any way, I urge to to talk to the police, or at least their mother. Don't just let it be!
You clearly have NO idea what it is like for children in this situation and the repercussions it can have throughout their life.
If you seriously think that these children are being abused in any way, I urge to to talk to the police, or at least their mother. Don't just let it be!
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Original post by im so academic
I'm not defending paedophiles at all, but adults don't choose to be attracted to children. What are you supposed to do if you are naturally attracted to children?
There's a difference between being a paedophile and being a child molester.
There's a difference between being a paedophile and being a child molester.
This.
it's just the way their brains are wired. Unfortunate but that's how nature is. No point in labelling them as the devil incarnate and burning them at the stake. An attempted sympathy and treatment would be far more affected. You may think "how can one have sympathy for a child rapist?" well it need not get that far. If it wasn't so vilified in the first place then paedophiles could come forward for help before things got bad.
Original post by FelixFelicis
It goes without saying that paedophilia is one of the most vile acts a human can commit.
Only 'paedophilia' is not an act, and there's nothing really 'vile' about someone being attracted to young people if they're not acting upon those feelings. If anything it makes more sense than being attracted to animals, and people don't seem to see that kinda attraction as 'vile' unless it's being acted upon (which lotsa people just see as funny).
That aside, if someone genuinely has reason to believe someone is being harmed (especially someone incapable of preventing said harm themselves), and does nothing to aid them, they can go get ****ed by a bear.
Original post by najinaji
Original post by najinaji
What're you talking about...? Paedophiles are no more likely to be child abusers than straight people are to be rapists. I do, however, believe that being a paedophile must be a torturous ordeal for them and they should receive help, in terms of therapy and perhaps medication.
Read my post again. I said if it doesn't work.
That is a really sad story. Poor family. I don't see why they had to blacklist the entire family because of it.
Hi, I've worked on the defense side of one child pornography case, the accused was 24 years old, had some video and still images, three of the images were in the NECMEC database of known child pornography images (file size + MD5 checksum is a digital finger print).
Being my first case CP case, I did some research - the attorney I was working for was of very little help. The current position is that if CP is even view, you are victimizing the child again. I complete agree that CP could be scrubbed from the internet and it would be a good thing.
So, while working with the investigating officer, who told me I could not look at the images, to which I replied that find, I don't want to see them, but from a evidence stand-point: who can? The investigating officers, the prosecuting attorney, the judge and the defense attorney.
The office the proceeded to tell me of a defense attorney who insisted that he view each and every one of the files and challenged some of them a required then be validated by an image expert. The officer showed disgust.
I later found in that case, the offender was 17 at the time he was viewing images of 16y year old girls, was over weight, socially inept and will probably be a virgin for a long time. His parents got him into counseling as soon as they new about it. The defense attorney was actually doing his job; I would want my attorney to challenge it too.
My real point here is the relative age should be taken into account. I was offered second case, a 40 year old looking at image of 8 year old girls. I flatly said no.
My point here is that the police sometimes act like the law IS morality and don't have any faith or understanding of human nature.
Since then I've stuck to eDiscovery project...
Original post by Pheylan
Do you think the same of gay people?
Nah. Thats something untreatable...
...nah but honestly, it was meant to be a sarcastic response to ISA seeing as she loves taking everything seriously
This thread was about someone who is hearing distressing noises and thinks someone may be actively doing something wrong. Why does every thread on TSR end in "But why is it wrong to be attracted to children?".
But while we're on the topic, watching child porn is only marginally 'better' than actually molesting a child. What kind of human can watch a video of a child being raped and instead of reporting it, masturbate to it? Child porn is not a case of attraction, because it's not like there is consensual sex with children. It's watching and enjoying the rape of a child. That's not 'simply' being attracted to children.
But while we're on the topic, watching child porn is only marginally 'better' than actually molesting a child. What kind of human can watch a video of a child being raped and instead of reporting it, masturbate to it? Child porn is not a case of attraction, because it's not like there is consensual sex with children. It's watching and enjoying the rape of a child. That's not 'simply' being attracted to children.
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Original post by im so academic
Original post by im so academic
I'm not defending paedophiles at all, but adults don't choose to be attracted to children. What are you supposed to do if you are naturally attracted to children?
There's a difference between being a paedophile and being a child molester.
There's a difference between being a paedophile and being a child molester.
This. Paedophilia is no more a crime than homosexuality. It should never be wrong just to be something. What is wrong is acting upon it if it harms other people, especially when they're the most vulnerable elements of our society. I have a lot of respect for people who recognise they have this, and seek counselling to prevent themselves from hurting others.
As for the neighbour thing, if it was consistent over a long period of time than I'd probably drop a line to social services. But it's probably unfair to do so if it's only happened once of twice.
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Original post by Rant
I was discussing this with a friend the other day. He often hears "distressing" sounds coming from his neighbour's house where a guy lives on his own, but with daughters who come to visit.
Anyway, he thinks there's something going on. He says he's seen the girls leaving looking really shaken up. He wants to call the police.
Personally... I think he should mind his own business. I mean, everyone goes through crap when they're a child... maybe the father just has a bit of a temper? Either way, calling the cops based on some stupid hunch seems OTT.
But what if it was your neighbour? Or a family member? Would you dob someone in, become a snitch to see "justice" if you suspected someone of being a paedophile - no matter what their relationship was, or how much proof you had?
Has the media scare storm faded at all, or are people still caught up in the hype of "OMG, think of the children!"
Discuss.
Anyway, he thinks there's something going on. He says he's seen the girls leaving looking really shaken up. He wants to call the police.
Personally... I think he should mind his own business. I mean, everyone goes through crap when they're a child... maybe the father just has a bit of a temper? Either way, calling the cops based on some stupid hunch seems OTT.
But what if it was your neighbour? Or a family member? Would you dob someone in, become a snitch to see "justice" if you suspected someone of being a paedophile - no matter what their relationship was, or how much proof you had?
Has the media scare storm faded at all, or are people still caught up in the hype of "OMG, think of the children!"
Discuss.
Although I feel leaving it alone is a bad idea, I think some sort of proof should be sought first as this might be nothing. Maybe unoffically talk to somebody in authority for instnace social services and see what they say.
You're a dumbass
Original post by FelixFelicis
It goes without saying that paedophilia is one of the most vile acts a human can commit.
Paedophilia is not an act and it cannot be committed.
Original post by BoxesAndBangles
But while we're on the topic, watching child porn is only marginally 'better' than actually molesting a child. What kind of human can watch a video of a child being raped and instead of reporting it, masturbate to it? Child porn is not a case of attraction, because it's not like there is consensual sex with children. It's watching and enjoying the rape of a child. That's not 'simply' being attracted to children.
Child porn is not equal to children being raped. A 17 year old girl getting herself off is child porn.
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Original post by Converse
Paedophilia is not an act and it cannot be committed.
Child porn is not equal to children being raped. A 17 year old girl getting herself off is child porn.
Child porn is not equal to children being raped. A 17 year old girl getting herself off is child porn.
I'm not talking about a consenting 17 year old on webcam here with her 20 year old boyfriend or whatever, and you know it. Take in context, I'm talking about children (i.e. not teens, although of course could be applied to young teens as well).
How can a child consent? Of course it is sexual abuse. In the UK the age of consent is 16 and I'm talking about actual children here - paedophilia means attraction to pre-pubescent children not teenagers. I'm not gonna sit here and argue about whether watching actual child pornography is right or not, ridiculous. It is watching, allowing, using and enjoying the sexual abuse/rape of innocent, defenseless children which is and should be a major crime. I'm appalled that a thread asking if someone suspicious of abuse has as usual on this website, turned into a bunch of psuedo intellectual teenagers who think they are philosophers arguing about the morality of paedophillia/actually discussing whether child porn is ok or not. I'm not talking about you as I haven't followed your argument.
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Original post by james22
Actually all the dictionary's I have look at disagree, where do you get this definition from?
Where did you get your dictionaries?
Original post by Pheylan
Do you think the same of gay people?
Please do not compare paedophilia to homosexuality.
If you don't think there's anything wrong with paedophilia, there's something wrong with you. Often they have suffered sexual abuse as a child themselves, and should absolutely seek professional help for it. To compare that to naturally occurring homosexuality is twisted and disgusting.
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Original post by ArcadiaHouse
Please do not compare paedophilia to homosexuality.
If you don't think there's anything wrong with paedophilia, there's something wrong with you. Often they have suffered sexual abuse as a child themselves, and should absolutely seek professional help for it. To compare that to naturally occurring homosexuality is twisted and disgusting.
If you don't think there's anything wrong with paedophilia, there's something wrong with you. Often they have suffered sexual abuse as a child themselves, and should absolutely seek professional help for it. To compare that to naturally occurring homosexuality is twisted and disgusting.
I think it's pretty closed minded to assume that it's impossible for someone to have a naturally occurring sexual preference for children. I'm sure in a lot of cases it is caused by abuse, but I'm sure it's not in a lot of cases too. I think there are parallels between paedophilia and homosexuality (and heterosexuality for that matter), but also significant differences. I don't think saying that there are parallels implies they are morally equivalent.
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