"Feminism is useless in the first world"

And how do you propose changing attitudes and values?

So you are accepting that there are such attitiudes and values to be changed?

Education, the media, even affirmative action. See enough women in top business positions and leadership roles, and it will become normalised, which will lead to acceptance and even expectancy. It will also encourage future female generations. Or at least they won't be discourage with the notion of having to go against the grain to succeed in such a role.

You've basically just repeated what I said? Why has it got to be relative? If there's a problem, there's a problem. The fact that there exists a country worse off than us doesn't make it any less of a problem. I find the social issues children from deprived backgrounds face to be a problem in our country, the fact that an African child is worse off doesn't make that any less of a problem. The fact that a child in Africa doesn't have access to basic food, water and health care is an issue yes. But accepting that our own deprived children have issues in our country does not diminish the seriousness of the child's struggles in Africa.

When do women get more rights than men?

I asked how you would propose it and judging by your paragraph, it looks like you do want to use force . Are you not for personal freedoms or choice?

Yes so I do agree with you to that extent. I never said we stop focussing on the problems women face in the West.

There have been 2 cases I've read up on that indicated this actually. Some woman on a night out basically smashed a glass bottle on a guy's face and her sentence was appalling. Pretty sure if the guy had done it to her, he would've got a much harsher sentence. I will try and find the articles for you but you'll have to wait because I'm busy atm.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3480077/Man-GLASSES-female-protester-self-defence-feminist-rally-social-experiment.html


This was a social experiment but I found it interesting how when a man fought back in self defence everyone wanted to kill him but when a woman punched him nobody did anything.

You said when women have rights above men though? What you just provided is not about rights.

Also, one off anecdotal evidence of a one off case doesn't say much I'm afraid. You give one sentence of when a woman received a lenient sentence. I can just as easily give a case where a girl jumped an old man on a bus and received the same sentence as her brother who was also involved.

It's just tit for tat, and doesn't say much at all I'm afraid.

Through that article I was trying to show the double standards some feminists have.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/380093/analysis-gender-custodial-sentences.pdf

This document even says that female offenders were less likely to get a higher custody sentence by 73% for the same crime. That's what I mean by in some cases women get let off because of their gender.

Okay, I see your point. But feminism will help alleviate that though, because that's a typical traditonal gender attitude, to give a woman a more lenient sentence because she's more delicate than a man. They should be treated equally.

Yes so I do agree with you to that extent. I never said we stop focussing on the problems women face in the West.

There have been 2 cases I've read up on that indicated this actually. Some woman on a night out basically smashed a glass bottle on a guy's face and her sentence was appalling. Pretty sure if the guy had done it to her, he would've got a much harsher sentence. I will try and find the articles for you but you'll have to wait because I'm busy atm.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3480077/Man-GLASSES-female-protester-self-defence-feminist-rally-social-experiment.html


This was a social experiment but I found it interesting how when a man fought back in self defence everyone wanted to kill him but when a woman punched him nobody did anything.

Sorry if im like butting in now but i just wanted to say some things!

You're actually kinda right about this! Women getting lighter sentences for the same crimes is def a thing! The important question to ask though is "why?"

Feminism says that it's because of that "women are weak frail things who aren't capable of anything"-idea that still kinda sticks to our culture. This is why male victims of assault and abuse at the hands of women are often ridiculed or misbelieved; "because a woman is a small thing so you could have easily defended yourself!!!!"

The thing about male oppression is that it's always the patriarchy coming back and biting men in the ass, and what does feminism want to do? That's right! Abolish the patriarchy!

Oh don't be such a drama queen!

To be honest I value fairness and equality above freedom of choice, if freedom of choice means reduced opportunities for another social group.


Also, I notice you haven't denied my suggested merits of affirmative action, because you know I'm right. You can't despute any of what I said can you.

What a ridiculous article! It was posted on my birthday, too

I completely understand this and obviously I do see this as an immoral and wrong set of events. But, in all honesty, I suspect the '6 derogatory comments' were made by people who were single, or of a young age and don't know better. Also, obviously a stranger asking you back to his house is pretty wierd, but his personality probably reflected what he said.

What?!?!?!?!?!?!

So not knowing better makes it ok? Some men having a personality that women can be treated in such a way is ok?

The sense you just made is non existent.

Good post.