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tribute to the great

this is a tribute page to the great Muhammad Ali who has passed but will never be forgotten. his funeral is today so lets all pay our tribute.
"I don't have to be what you want me to be."Muhammad Ali

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‘A black man should be killed if he’s messing around with a white women,’ he said.And if a black woman was messing with a white man?‘Then she dies. Kill her too.’

Muhammad Ali
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Original post by BaconandSauce
‘A black man should be killed if he’s messing around with a white women,’ he said.And if a black woman was messing with a white man?‘Then she dies. Kill her too.’

Muhammad Ali



the great was young when he said this and he repented. let us not berate the passed, instead let us celebrate his life and the good
Original post by lascelles101
let us not berate the passed,


And let's not forget it

at the time these were powerful words
it was before he converted was it not?
"Cassius Clay is a slave name. I didn't choose it and I don't want it. I am
Muhammad Ali, a free name - it means beloved of God - and I insist people use it
when people speak to me and of me."
Original post by lascelles101
it was before he converted was it not?
"Cassius Clay is a slave name. I didn't choose it and I don't want it. I am
Muhammad Ali, a free name - it means beloved of God - and I insist people use it
when people speak to me and of me."


No It was after and when he was a member of the racist group 'Nation of Islam'

Don't forget that he may have mellowed his views later in life but does that excuse this?
Original post by BaconandSauce
No It was after and when he was a member of the racist group 'Nation of Islam'

Don't forget that he may have mellowed his views later in life but does that excuse this?


depends, do you believe in repenting sins? do you believe i forgiveness? do you believe in wieghing up good and bad??
Original post by lascelles101
depends, do you believe in repenting sins? do you believe i forgiveness? do you believe in wieghing up good and bad??


I am not god so no I don't

rightly some peoples whole careers have been destroyed over a single racist remark

was he apologetic for his racism? I've found nothing that said he did

But tell me if he was white and he said this do you think he should be forgiven and still hold the title 'the greatest'?

He should have been stripped of all his titles and thrown into the wilderness
Original post by BaconandSauce
I am not god so no I don't

rightly some peoples whole careers have been destroyed over a single racist remark

was he apologetic for his racism? I've found nothing that said he did

But tell me if he was white and he said this do you think he should be forgiven and still hold the title 'the greatest'?

He should have been stripped of all his titles and thrown into the wilderness


as i said it was when he was cassius clay not muhhamed ali. this is from an article
Ali’s opinions drew strong criticism even from civil rights champion Dr Martin Luther King, who commented: ‘When Cassius Clay joined the Black Muslims, he became a champion of racial segregation and that is what we are fighting against.’
So let’s cut the absurd, deluded pretence that Muhammad Ali wasn’t a man who spewed a lot of very hateful, racist claptrap when he was young, because he indisputably did.
But then Ali grew up, matured and in the process changed dramatically in his views and beliefs.
‘The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life,’ he memorably observed.
And Ali didn’t waste a day, morphing from angry firebrand activity to public advocate for global peace and harmony.
“Over the years my religion has changed and my spirituality has evolved,’ he latterly explained, ‘religion and spirituality are very different, but people often confuse the two. Some things cannot be taught, but they can be awakened in the heart.
Original post by lascelles101
as i said it was when he was cassius clay not muhhamed ali. this is from an article


‘When Cassius Clay joined the Black Muslims, he became a champion of racial segregation and that is what we are fighting against.’


as you can see you are wrong it was when he joined the nation of Islam not before
and as you post clearly states

So let’s cut the absurd, deluded pretence that Muhammad Ali wasn’t a man who spewed a lot of very hateful, racist claptrap when he was young

he did and this should not be simply ignored
Original post by BaconandSauce
as you can see you are wrong it was when he joined the nation of Islam not before

‘religion and spirituality are very different, but people often confuse the two. Some things cannot be taught, but they can be awakened in the heart.
yes but i am referring to when he changed his name. it was after that and he addmitted he was wrong
Original post by lascelles101
‘religion and spirituality are very different, but people often confuse the two. Some things cannot be taught, but they can be awakened in the heart.
yes but i am referring to when he changed his name. it was after that and he addmitted he was wrong


Is that all it takes for you to ignore the horrible racist comments he made?

But as you can see it was when he was a member of the nation of Islam that he was at his most racist what he called himself is irrelevant
Original post by BaconandSauce
Is that all it takes for you to ignore the horrible racist comments he made?

But as you can see it was when he was a member of the nation of Islam that he was at his most racist what he called himself is irrelevant


no he was a rascist and a discriminative young man. but when you grow, you learn and grow, in which he did.
Muhammad Ali was wrong about many things he spouted as a provocative young man, but right about so many as he reached old age.
Let us all learn from his wisdom and act upon it.
Original post by lascelles101
no he was a rascist and a discriminative young man. but when you grow, you learn and grow, in which he did.
Muhammad Ali was wrong about many things he spouted as a provocative young man, but right about so many as he reached old age.
Let us all learn from his wisdom and act upon it.


I prefer to keep racists at arms length and not eulogize them in the national press

but this distortion of who he was and what he did is quite shocking
Original post by BaconandSauce
I prefer to keep racists at arms length and not eulogize them in the national press

but this distortion of who he was and what he did is quite shocking


why is it? you learn from the past, for the future
Original post by lascelles101
why is it? you learn from the past, for the future


Yes and we now know you treat racists as the idiots they are

If he were fighting today and said what he did he would have been stripped of his titles arrested for inciting violence and be a social pariah for the rest of his life and IMO rightly so.
Original post by BaconandSauce
Yes and we now know you treat racists as the idiots they are

If he were fighting today and said what he did he would have been stripped of his titles arrested for inciting violence and be a social pariah for the rest of his life and IMO rightly so.


well he was not, ant imo he changed, and repented. if you say that then david cameron should not lead us because hes stupid as he shoved his genitals in a pigs head
Original post by lascelles101
well he was not, ant imo he changed, and repented. if you say that then david cameron should not lead us because hes stupid as he shoved his genitals in a pigs head


right because that is the same as saying people who are in a mixed race relationships should be killed

completely comparable /sarc

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