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Immigration is modern day colonialism

in a way. Without the violence/bloodshed. Yes, the British built their empire on steamrolling into countries and taking all their resources but what about these immigrants risking life and limb and bypassing other safe countries to live off our housing system/welfare state? Not to mention the strain on schools, hospitals, public transport etc etc.

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They're seeking a better life for themselves and their families.
Original post by Danny the Geezer
in a way. Without the violence/bloodshed. Yes, the British built their empire on steamrolling into countries and taking all their resources but what about these immigrants risking life and limb and bypassing other safe countries to live off our housing system/welfare state? Not to mention the strain on schools, hospitals, public transport etc etc.


You are confusing immigrants with refugees.
Original post by BasicMistake
You are confusing immigrants with refugees.


Same difference
Original post by Danny the Geezer
Same difference


Care to elaborate?
Original post by queen-bee
They're seeking a better life for themselves and their families.


Look at how many British people live below the poverty line. Where can they go to seek a better life for themselves and their families? And they get even more disadvantaged by these said refugees/immigrants coming in to the country as their is a strain on the welfare state (have you ever wondered that at least part of the cuts to the benefit system is down to immigration?), a strain on schools so they can;t give their kids a better education to better themselves, a strain on social housing and so on. It's a constitutional right that British people born here, who have lived here all their lives, contributed to society etc etc have precedence over someone who has just newly arrived for things like welfare, social housing etc and yet no- you see more and more British people on the streets (where I live there's an epidemic) and immigrants getting prioritised for school places etc. Why should the UK be obligated to take these people? We're a small island, our towns and cities are being changed beyond recognition directly due to immigration. Look atn how many people live in poverty/have a poor lifestye in the world (let's just give a ballpark figure of 75%) so that's 4 billion people who want to seek a "better live for themselves and their famlies" where are they going to go? Where are they going to work? Where are they going to live?
Original post by Danny the Geezer
Look at how many British people live below the poverty line. Where can they go to seek a better life for themselves and their families? And they get even more disadvantaged by these said refugees/immigrants coming in to the country as their is a strain on the welfare state (have you ever wondered that at least part of the cuts to the benefit system is down to immigration?), a strain on schools so they can;t give their kids a better education to better themselves, a strain on social housing and so on. It's a constitutional right that British people born here, who have lived here all their lives, contributed to society etc etc have precedence over someone who has just newly arrived for things like welfare, social housing etc and yet no- you see more and more British people on the streets (where I live there's an epidemic) and immigrants getting prioritised for school places etc. Why should the UK be obligated to take these people? We're a small island, our towns and cities are being changed beyond recognition directly due to immigration. Look atn how many people live in poverty/have a poor lifestye in the world (let's just give a ballpark figure of 75%) so that's 4 billion people who want to seek a "better live for themselves and their famlies" where are they going to go? Where are they going to work? Where are they going to live?


What's stopping the brits from seeking a better life in their own country? They're going to start off doing the jobs nobody else wants to do.
Original post by G8D
So what?


:dontknow:
Original post by queen-bee
What's stopping the brits from seeking a better life in their own country? They're going to start off doing the jobs nobody else wants to do.


The "they do the jobs the Brits don't want to do" is a fallacy- we built an empire and won two World Wars on hard graft. Who did the jobs before the immigrants? Us of course. And consdiering a fair proportion of jobs migrants do are skilled/professional trades and therefore pay well, you'd think there'd be a lot of competition for them.
Original post by Danny the Geezer
The "they do the jobs the Brits don't want to do" is a fallacy- we built an empire and won two World Wars on hard graft. Who did the jobs before the immigrants? Us of course. And consdiering a fair proportion of jobs migrants do are skilled/professional trades and therefore pay well, you'd think there'd be a lot of competition for them.


It isn't a fallacy at all. You can't compare the attitudes of the current British population to those during a period where standards of living, working conditions and income equality were significantly worse. As the population gets richer, the less inclined it is to fill in extremely low-income occupations.

EDIT: Furthermore, immigrants tend to be either low-skilled or high-skilled. Those in the middle are less inclined to migrate to other countries as they are likely to already have stable jobs which won't be paid any more in the UK.
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lol u cuck
Original post by BasicMistake
It isn't a fallacy at all. You can't compare the attitudes of the current British population to those during a period where standards of living, working conditions and income equality were significantly worse. As the population gets richer, the less inclined it is to fill in extremely low-income occupations.


It's so hard to find even manual labour jobs because the Eastern Europeans have a monopoly on them, some employers even state they prefer their prospective employee to be Eastern European (which I think should be illegal) it's a way of unscrupulous companies to exploit people-people try to portray Brits as lazy and Polish etc as hard working when the reality is the British aren't lazy they just can't get a job because Marek from Krakow has taken it- thus leading to a vicious cycle of disenchantment. I know plenty of people who would kill for a job in a factory (myself included)
Original post by queen-bee
They're seeking a better life for themselves and their families.


at my expense
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Original post by Danny the Geezer
in a way. Without the violence/bloodshed. Yes, the British built their empire on steamrolling into countries and taking all their resources but what about these immigrants risking life and limb and bypassing other safe countries to live off our housing system/welfare state? Not to mention the strain on schools, hospitals, public transport etc etc.


And this is me thinking you are a geezer:frown:
Original post by M14B
And this is me thinking you are a geezer:frown:


Just a geezer 'avin a bubble.
Original post by BasicMistake
It isn't a fallacy at all. You can't compare the attitudes of the current British population to those during a period where standards of living, working conditions and income equality were significantly worse. As the population gets richer, the less inclined it is to fill in extremely low-income occupations.

EDIT: Furthermore, immigrants tend to be either low-skilled or high-skilled. Those in the middle are less inclined to migrate to other countries as they are likely to already have stable jobs which won't be paid any more in the UK.


The standard of living is much higher in the UK then say Lithiuania or Latvia.

Why wouldn't they want to come given the choice?

Economic migrants aside for a second and focus on asylum seekers and refugees.

Why do they come here instead of the nearest safe country (which was legislation up until fairly recently).
Original post by drogon
lol u cuck


yh wateva m8 :sly:
Original post by queen-bee
They're seeking a better life for themselves and their families.


They can cry me a river.
Original post by Danny the Geezer
The standard of living is much higher in the UK then say Lithiuania or Latvia.

Why wouldn't they want to come given the choice?

Economic migrants aside for a second and focus on asylum seekers and refugees.

Why do they come here instead of the nearest safe country (which was legislation up until fairly recently).


Some for economic reasons and some for social reasons. They may have relatives or people they know who migrated to the UK earlier and want to join them. The UK is also friendlier to Muslims than many other countries in both law and public attitude; France has their notorious religious symbols law. Also, the UK has a kinder and quicker asylum system compared to France and Germany. Related to this, once they are granted asylum they can quickly find employment after six months.

You also mention the nearest safe country. 2 million Syrian refugees are already in Turkey and over 1 million have fled to Lebanon. So many do go into neighbouring countries but the problem is that many are getting overwhelmed. The 28,000 looking for asylum in the UK is minute compared to these countries and even Germany which has accepted nearly half a million.
Original post by Danny the Geezer
in a way. Without the violence/bloodshed. Yes, the British built their empire on steamrolling into countries and taking all their resources but what about these immigrants risking life and limb and bypassing other safe countries to live off our housing system/welfare state? Not to mention the strain on schools, hospitals, public transport etc etc.


There are different types of migrants. Do you mean refugees?

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