Should paedophilia still be considered a disorder?
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Original post by Inexorably
Since I'm doing German A Level (and will do at uni) that is actually a fun fact lmao. Thank you.
Ohh cool! I wish I could speak German. Are you going to study German on it's own?
Paedophilia is a psychological disorder. Just like being transgender is a physiological disorder called gender dysphoria. Does it mean that if you're a paedophile or a transgender person that you're inherently bad? No. With gender dysphoria (being trans) you don't really hurt anyone so that's fine. But with paedophilia it's different because it can cause harm to others. It's about how you control your urges that decides whether you're bad or not. Some paedophiles do end up acting upon them which does make them *****y people. Honestly, I feel bad for them sometimes since they're only human and have urges which they didn't choose to have. However, they're also responsible adults how should be able to control them and act accordingly and if they aren't able to do that then they're the pieces of **** people regard them as.
Original post by Ladbants
Currently, paedophiles is a psychiatric disorder, but should it? If yes, why should homosexuality not be a disorder then? Because paedophiles that don't molest children and don't watch child porn aren't doing any harm, surely?
I've recently read this article on a well-known SJW site and it does seem to have a point:
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/
The guy hasn't harmed a single kid yet he is still considered to have a disorder...
I've recently read this article on a well-known SJW site and it does seem to have a point:
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/
The guy hasn't harmed a single kid yet he is still considered to have a disorder...
This is a hard thing to define some would say yes it is a disorder because some elements do check out with the definition of 'disorder'. Others would say no and it is really just the way you look at it and to what extent the paedophilia is at. Is homophobia a disorder?
Original post by Electrospective
I said Aspergers, you said Autism. Given that Aspergers is a form of Autism, it wasn't a stretch was it?
I am familiar with psychopathy and Hare's PCL-R. The anatomy of a psychopath will of course be different then non-psychopaths. That's a given, they think and behave in a different manner. Just like how a black cab driver's brain will be different then non cab drivers.
And it is not agreed by all professionals that psychopathy is a mental disorder, it isn't even in the DSM. But anti-social personality disorder is, and that's the closest thing to it.
I didn't say they are out to get us, but big pharma are the only ones benefitting from this whole thing, where every difference is some sort of illness.
I read quite an interesting book on psychopathy, The Psychopath Test, Jon Ronson. You might want to read it.
I am familiar with psychopathy and Hare's PCL-R. The anatomy of a psychopath will of course be different then non-psychopaths. That's a given, they think and behave in a different manner. Just like how a black cab driver's brain will be different then non cab drivers.
And it is not agreed by all professionals that psychopathy is a mental disorder, it isn't even in the DSM. But anti-social personality disorder is, and that's the closest thing to it.
I didn't say they are out to get us, but big pharma are the only ones benefitting from this whole thing, where every difference is some sort of illness.
I read quite an interesting book on psychopathy, The Psychopath Test, Jon Ronson. You might want to read it.
My Proffessor who taught me about Psychopathy runs a course on the PCL-R for practitioners who diagnose and work with psychopaths, and actually I have an interesting anecdote for you. FYI, my professor worked with Robert Hare and is one of the main researchers on psychopathy out there at the moment.
Jon Ronson attended his course. And he sat at the back of the class and did not listen to a word that my professor said, did not even pay attention.
And then sometime later my Professor heard that he released a book, to discovere that this book was based on everything which my Proffesor warned to his class, is a load of bollox.
None of it is evidence based, and is basically fiction. Something you'd be more likely to find on a TV show than a peer reviewed journal.
So no. Do not patronise me and tell me to read that book. I have studied this at degree level sweetheart.
But perhaps you should actually educate yourself, and I can show you some interesting journal articles on Psychopathy. That you know, actually give consideration to the scientific method.
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Original post by Brahmin of Booty
Just because they are suffering because of their difference does not prove it is an illness or else short men or men who are not very handsome would be suffering an illness 
Men who reach a certain threshold for shortness are classified as having a disorder
Original post by Twinpeaks
My Proffessor who taught me about Psychopathy runs a course on the PCL-R for practitioners who diagnose and work with psychopaths, and actually I have an interesting anecdote for you. FYI, my professor worked with Robert Hare and is one of the main researchers on psychopathy out there at the moment.
Jon Ronson attended his course. And he sat at the back of the class and did not listen to a word that my professor said, did not even pay attention.
And then sometime later my Professor heard that he released a book, to discovere that this book was based on everything which my Proffesor warned to his class, is a load of bollox.
None of it is evidence based, and is basically fiction. Something you'd be more likely to find on a TV show than a peer reviewed journal.
So no. Do not patronise me and tell me to read that book. I have studied this at degree level sweetheart.
But perhaps you should actually educate yourself, and I can show you some interesting journal articles on Psychopathy. That you know, actually give consideration to the scientific method.
Jon Ronson attended his course. And he sat at the back of the class and did not listen to a word that my professor said, did not even pay attention.
And then sometime later my Professor heard that he released a book, to discovere that this book was based on everything which my Proffesor warned to his class, is a load of bollox.
None of it is evidence based, and is basically fiction. Something you'd be more likely to find on a TV show than a peer reviewed journal.
So no. Do not patronise me and tell me to read that book. I have studied this at degree level sweetheart.
But perhaps you should actually educate yourself, and I can show you some interesting journal articles on Psychopathy. That you know, actually give consideration to the scientific method.
Interesting anecdote.
Sure, link me some articles. Dunno if I'll change my position on the matter, I simply think of it as a different way of being.
One question, if it is definitely as mental disorder why isn't it in the DSM? Perhaps because there isn't a proper course of treatment, and maybe that's because you can treat something that's part of who you are.
Original post by Ladbants
Currently, paedophiles is a psychiatric disorder, but should it? If yes, why should homosexuality not be a disorder then? Because paedophiles that don't molest children and don't watch child porn aren't doing any harm, surely?
I've recently read this article on a well-known SJW site and it does seem to have a point:
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/
The guy hasn't harmed a single kid yet he is still considered to have a disorder...
I've recently read this article on a well-known SJW site and it does seem to have a point:
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/
The guy hasn't harmed a single kid yet he is still considered to have a disorder...
Yes, because if we start giving any ground on this issue it'll only be a few decades until letting creepers bone children becomes the new civil rights frontier. Anyone who even suggests that paedophilia not be stigmatised ought to be shouted down.
Original post by Ladbants
Currently, paedophiles is a psychiatric disorder, but should it? If yes, why should homosexuality not be a disorder then? Because paedophiles that don't molest children and don't watch child porn aren't doing any harm, surely?
I've recently read this article on a well-known SJW site and it does seem to have a point:
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/
The guy hasn't harmed a single kid yet he is still considered to have a disorder...
I've recently read this article on a well-known SJW site and it does seem to have a point:
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/
The guy hasn't harmed a single kid yet he is still considered to have a disorder...
I stopped taking this post seriously when you compared paedophilia with
homosexuality.
The two, for obvious reasons to anyone with a brain cell, are totally different
things.
But this is where the regressive Left is devolving to. Being so accepting of every
little thing that even paedophiles are earning platforms and gaining sympathy and
support. This is why people are struggling so much to take the Left seriously.
Ah, the infamous Todd "I'm not a monster, I'm just sexually attracted to little girls," Nickerson. He may or may not have harmed a child (we have no way of
corroborating that statement) but that doesn't reduce him to a zero threat to kids.
Put it this way-would you allow him to be alone with your child or a child you
knew? I wouldn't. Not in a million years.
Paedophilia is a disorder, and should be treated as such. If a person with the
disorder has never offended, they should have access to treatment to aid them
with it and try and cure them of it. They should do everything in their power,
including castration if necessary, to ensure they do not offend.
Original post by Electrospective
Interesting anecdote.
Sure, link me some articles. Dunno if I'll change my position on the matter, I simply think of it as a different way of being.
One question, if it is definitely as mental disorder why isn't it in the DSM? Perhaps because there isn't a proper course of treatment, and maybe that's because you can treat something that's part of who you are.
Sure, link me some articles. Dunno if I'll change my position on the matter, I simply think of it as a different way of being.
One question, if it is definitely as mental disorder why isn't it in the DSM? Perhaps because there isn't a proper course of treatment, and maybe that's because you can treat something that's part of who you are.
I'm away from my PC at the moment, might get back to you later, but I don't know whether you'd have access to the journals, are you a student?
I agree it is a different way of being, that doesn't mean it can't be a disorder.
It is technically under the DM as Anti-social personality disorder, but that definition is insufficient. Everyone with psychopathy has ASPD, but not everyone with ASPD has psychopathy.
The emphasis on ASPD is more criminal than psychological.
But besides that, the vast majority of clinicians out there think that ASPD is insufficient and stick with Psychopathy. As does the legal and penal system, hence why a psychopathy diagnosis is used in sentencing, release and also treatment. I.e if you have a Psychopathy diagnosis expect a much longer sentence without early release, and also you'll get a different type of treatment to other prisoners with similar offences. There's a book out there called "How to Pass the PCL-R" which lawyers tend to give to their clients, because if they fail it they know they're ****ed. It doesn't work really, but it's a last resort.
Also I thought we discussed the "can't be cured therefore can't be a disorder" argument? Remember the list of examples I provided and the Autism video? 🤔 Do you still think that if you have something like Dementia or Autism or even MS and Lupus that because there's no cure it's not a disorder?
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Original post by Twinpeaks
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No, I don't have access to journals.
See I agree with most of what you said. Btw, why do some psychopaths get sent to places like Broadmoor and not prison?
Not that it can't be cured, but if it can't even be treated...I'm sceptical. I said Aspergers, ADHD and psychopathy aren't disorders. Negative traits aren't necessarily a disorder, and who decides which is which?
Original post by Ladbants
Currently, paedophiles is a psychiatric disorder, but should it? If yes, why should homosexuality not be a disorder then? Because paedophiles that don't molest children and don't watch child porn aren't doing any harm, surely?
I've recently read this article on a well-known SJW site and it does seem to have a point:
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/
The guy hasn't harmed a single kid yet he is still considered to have a disorder...
I've recently read this article on a well-known SJW site and it does seem to have a point:
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/
The guy hasn't harmed a single kid yet he is still considered to have a disorder...
Whilst these people haven't hurt anyone, it's still not acceptable for an older man/woman to look at a younger child in such a way. I'm glad it can be recognised as a disorder - it means the people who have the condition can receive help before they act upon such desires. Homosexuality is slightly different, there's no harm in liking someone of the same sex... It's completely different to be attracted to someone who is a lot more vulnerable, immature and younger than yourself
Original post by Electrospective
Dexter was quite caring actually.
I'm not purposefully trying to offend you, but every bad thing/harmful thing about us is not a disorder.
I'm not purposefully trying to offend you, but every bad thing/harmful thing about us is not a disorder.
Of course, but deficits that are sufficiently detrimental that are not part of the normal spectrum, are rightfully determined to be 'disorders' or 'illnesses' etc.
Not every little bad or harmful thing about us is, but massive things are. For instance, Autism is most often due to considerable dysfunction of neurological mechanisms involving automaticity, as far as I'm aware.
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Bearing in mind these days the fact that 20% of the adult male population have access to 80% of the adult women, if you were one of those on the fence paedophiles that couldn't get a woman, it would be all too natural for them to slide in to that degenerate subculture.
I don't consider pedophilia a disorder. Let me explain. Pedophilia is the attraction to prepubescent children. A pedophile can still function in a proper way except they have an abnormal attraction the children. They can hold a job, get a proper education, and think normally for the most part. I don't see the point of labeling it a sexuality because children are not a gender. There's female, male but not children. Children can be either and defined by their age, and physical and mental development growth. Also what sexuality dissolves? The pedophile will lose interest in the children when it is no longer prepubescent. Also by labeling it a sexuality would mean normalizing it as if being attracted to prepubescent children is common, and normal.
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