The Top 10 UK Universities

These are the kinds of measures universities like Warwick without any significant achievements or resources excel in.

Do you believe anyone thinks Surrey is a UK Top 10 university for the last 2 years?

hmmm in my opinion..

1. Cambridge
2. Oxford
3. Imperial
4. LSE
5. Durham
6. St Andrews
7. UCL
8. Edinburgh
9. King's
10. Warwick

In my opinion:

Cambridge
Oxford
LSE
Imperial
Warwick
Durham
Bath
Bristol
UCL

Then I don't know.

Okay, I'll bite. Here's what I think is the top 10 in the UK:

Oxford, Cambridge
LSE, Imperial
UCL, Warwick

Durham, St Andrews, Edinburgh, Bristol

In what way is Warwick along with UCL? Please support your argument.

Here's a my simplified answer to that question.

They almost have an identical prestige to the view of the applicants -- almost identical entry standards / almost similar UCAS points. In other words, they do have an almost identical calibre of students as demonstrated by their past academic achievements.

Aside from that, these two unis share the most number of cross-admit students. Meaning, most UCL students also applied to Warwick (the most) and vice versa.

Almost identical educational standards. After Oxbridge, these unis have the most number of top 10 programs.

Both are top 10 in research, too.

Graduates of both unis compete for the same jobs, too, may that be in business, economics or finance, or the humanities, law, engineering or computer science. Both unis are considered "core schools" by most top employers. Both unis are two of the only six unis in the whole UK that the top bulge bracket firms consider-- UK's top 6 unis.

Just my opinion.

Not really - UCL has substantially higher entry requirements across the board. The only subjects Warwick competes are its flagship courses, i.e. Maths, Econ and a few more. In all the rest, UCL is higher up.

And mind you, Warwick offers places to almost all its applicants.



And? So did, say, Durham. Why does that make Warwick better than Durham?



Evaluated how?



In the REF 2014, UCL had a much higher number of 4* graded research than Warwick. In fact, Warwick was lower in the vast majority of categories than the group you placed after UCL.



No. Warwick has made itself a great reputation for IB, but other than that it's your regular good university. The 'bracket firms' do not just consider 6 unis - who told you that? Yes, the top 6 provides a steady stream of people, but it's far from being the only thing IB banks consider.

In all other careers, Warwick performs okay. Nothing too spectacular.

Ultimately, these posts just bolster what I've been saying all along - people have inflated Warwick's reputation to heaven for no good reason.

UCL offers it to 51% of candidates nothing special, universities like Manchester also has like 95-100%. Also it varies wildly between course. I know when I did my UG, that for my subject there were 1000+ apps, 82 started and 300 got offers. There's a freedom of information document online confirming it.

The majority of Warwick students do Maths, Economics or WBS subjects. Warwick doesn't do Geography, UG medicine, nor dentistry, there are very few sciences students actually (even if they offer the courses). Consequently, saying Warwick only has high entry standards for those subjects is meaningless, especially when a significantly large part of the student body study those.

It's not just banking; strategy consulting, law. From Warwick people get into Mckinsey or Bain (albeit atypically), other universities have 0.

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Yes but Warwick offers places to ALL applicants, even for its flagship courses.

Erm, are you serious? Warwick has 23000+ students doing history, chemistry, physics, english and a whole lot of other courses. Its maths/econ and so on courses constitute only a minority of its students.

But it is just banking - for consulting, law and so on Warwick is not special at all - it is just a good uni. And McKinsey and Bain have recruited from other universities. Where are you getting your info from?

No it doesn't. I know 6 of the 40 starting Mckinsey analysts in London; I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about. I also went to Cambridge and I have good contacts in the strategy consulting sphere. Even outside MBB, it's same for Oliver Wyman, AT Kearney, LEK etc.

Outside LBS and Oxbridge, LSE to lesser extent; strategy consulting firms prefer Warwick and Imperial. This has been done to death but Warwick has joint 2nd business school in UK and a top 4 economics department, it's easy to see why.

Warwick doesn't give offers to everyone, data is available online, you're talking nonsense.

No it doesn't, I went to the university for 3 years and know the composition. Very few students study outside my mentioned departments as a proportion of total student body.

I also work for a prominent government department now and an regularly in contact with academics both professionally and personally. High profile academics all across the world recognise Warwick Economics as world class, including those in MIT, Columbia aa well as the UK. Given that it's a driver in banking, consulting, public policy and business, it's easy to see why it has such good reputation amongst employers. The reputation from the business school and Economics departments, the driver of the bulk of the university's profit has had a positive externality for the broader student body.

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I went to the university for 3 years

Apparently everyon knows everyone working at top firms here. Give me the data, and then we'll talk. Crap like I have 6 friends at a firm so I know what I'm talking about is just that - crap.



Oh it is available - the question is, have you bothered to look at it?

http://university.which.co.uk/university-of-warwick-w20/mathematics-4-years-9000-g103-79845
http://university.which.co.uk/university-of-warwick-w20/biochemistry-3-years-9000-c700-79958
http://university.which.co.uk/university-of-warwick-w20/chemistry-4-years-9000-f105-79947

And many, many more. For someone with your 'credentials', you sure haven't done much looking around.



Are you freaking joking me? The university has over 25000 students. If its Maths/Econ so on courses were to account for the majority of those students, each class would need more than 1500-2000 people.

Please.



Sure sure. Read my first quote.



Once again, this just confirms what I'm talking about.