'Alternative' people are always failures.

I suppose failure is a strong word, they are just less successful.

I like alternative styles and cultures etc but I would just like to ask why these people (who are different but still nice people eg emos, goths, hippies, eccentrics) not super happy and super successful.

I have never ever seen a happy normal family that consists of alternative identities as the parents. On top of that alternative styles (such as gothic, metal etc) all have music and culture which always talks about depression, sadness, how life is such a bitch and how no one understands. Maybe if these people were more accepting of culture and society instead of being so up themeselves and thinking the world is against them then it would all be less **** and they too would be successful. They are like bitter sour failures trapped in a teenage angst where they are disabling themselves from success.


You cannot deny that mainstream happy normal people find happiness and success, this alternative stuff often leads to a vicious cycle which is impossible to escape.

ps. The only 'successful' alternative person I've heard of off'd himself in april of 94



edit: why they neg?? see told you you cant handle the reality. If someone is calling you a failure DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Don't just go off and listen to lamb of god and hat eon the world.

So everyone should just ****ing conform?

**** that, if you want to be a pathetic "normal" person, so be it.

But I don't see why everyone else should.

I respect goths, hippies, eccentrics (especially) than normal people who rather be part of the majority than be themselves.

and what pray tell would make you happy...im so academic? I am not actively criticising and I am sorry if it comes across like that. I am merely making an observation (which of course is limited and bias to my experience and exposure to the world).

I suppose failure is a strong word, they are just less successful.

I like alternative styles and cultures etc but I would just like to ask why these people (who are different but still nice people eg emos, goths, hippies, eccentrics) not super happy and super successful.

I have never ever seen a happy normal family that consists of alternative identities as the parents. On top of that alternative styles (such as gothic, metal etc) all have music and culture which always talks about depression, sadness, how life is such a bitch and how no one understands. Maybe if these people were more accepting of culture and society instead of being so up themeselves and thinking the world is against them then it would all be less **** and they too would be successful. They are like bitter sour failures trapped in a teenage angst where they are disabling themselves from success.


You cannot deny that mainstream happy normal people find happiness and success, this alternative stuff often leads to a vicious cycle which is impossible to escape.

ps. The only 'successful' alternative person I've heard of off'd himself in april of 94



edit: why they neg?? see told you you cant handle the reality. If someone is calling you a failure DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Don't just go off and listen to lamb of god and hat eon the world.

I suppose failure is a strong word, they are just less successful.

I like alternative styles and cultures etc but I would just like to ask why these people (who are different but still nice people eg emos, goths, hippies, eccentrics) not super happy and super successful.

I have never ever seen a happy normal family that consists of alternative identities as the parents. On top of that alternative styles (such as gothic, metal etc) all have music and culture which always talks about depression, sadness, how life is such a bitch and how no one understands. Maybe if these people were more accepting of culture and society instead of being so up themeselves and thinking the world is against them then it would all be less **** and they too would be successful. They are like bitter sour failures trapped in a teenage angst where they are disabling themselves from success.


You cannot deny that mainstream happy normal people find happiness and success, this alternative stuff often leads to a vicious cycle which is impossible to escape.

ps. The only 'successful' alternative person I've heard of off'd himself in april of 94



edit: why they neg?? see told you you cant handle the reality. If someone is calling you a failure DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Don't just go off and listen to lamb of god and hat eon the world.

The thing is, often these 'non-conformist' groups require a lot more conforming than 'normality' does. Here in Newcastle we have a place where all these people hang out and they're all clones of each other, dark hair with random colours in it, black clothing, eye make-up, everyone telling everyone else that they're bi-sexual... The idea that they think of themselves as special and unique individuals is laughable.

Its a very teenage thing for people to rant at 'the majority' who supposedly all desperately conform to resemble some sort of trashy american high school movie. I would say I'm quite normal-ish and I can't really say I've ever felt myself actively conforming to some sort of unspoken societal rule.

Nothing against such groups mind, its just annoying when they think anyone who doesn't copy their oh so random ways and colourful hair is a lifeless drone with no personality because 'the man' stole it.

I just think you need to wake and and realise that we all live by the 'norms' and are still successful WHICH IS HARD. It's easy to lock yourself in your room and think the whole world is against you and that no one understands you. Go outside and stop being a pussy.


Yes I think you are alternative because you display the standard alternative trait of rejecting reality and dismissing people like me who speak the truth as 'the man'






Watch School of Rock or Gulliver Travels (with Jack Black) that man is a fine example of alternative failures. Yes he is successful but that is through cashing in on his alternativeness. Lots of ugly, fat, hairy, unhealthy men can identify with him. Gee well done Jack Black.

Because tattoos make you an emo? Im 18 years old, earn more than my parents, am very happy and intend to get both full sleeves and my back done in the next four years.

Stop being ignorant.

I have never ever seen a happy normal family that consists of alternative identities as the parents. On top of that alternative styles (such as gothic, metal etc) all have music and culture which always talks about depression, sadness, how life is such a bitch and how no one understands. Maybe if these people were more accepting of culture and society instead of being so up themeselves and thinking the world is against them then it would all be less **** and they too would be successful. They are like bitter sour failures trapped in a teenage angst where they are disabling themselves from success.

So everyone should just ****ing conform?

**** that, if you want to be a pathetic "normal" person, so be it.

But I don't see why everyone else should.

I respect goths, hippies, eccentrics (especially) than normal people who rather be part of the majority than be themselves.

I suppose failure is a strong word, they are just less successful.

I like alternative styles and cultures etc but I would just like to ask why these people (who are different but still nice people eg emos, goths, hippies, eccentrics) not super happy and super successful.

I have never ever seen a happy normal family that consists of alternative identities as the parents. On top of that alternative styles (such as gothic, metal etc) all have music and culture which always talks about depression, sadness, how life is such a bitch and how no one understands. Maybe if these people were more accepting of culture and society instead of being so up themeselves and thinking the world is against them then it would all be less **** and they too would be successful. They are like bitter sour failures trapped in a teenage angst where they are disabling themselves from success.


You cannot deny that mainstream happy normal people find happiness and success, this alternative stuff often leads to a vicious cycle which is impossible to escape.

ps. The only 'successful' alternative person I've heard of off'd himself in april of 94



edit: why they neg?? see told you you cant handle the reality. If someone is calling you a failure DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Don't just go off and listen to lamb of god and hat eon the world.

My husband and I are "alternative" (though we don't always wear alternative stuff, we are very much into rock music and do get dressed up alternatively when we go somewhere that calls for it).

We have three fantastic kids - the eldest is the top of her class at school (and it's not a rubbish school, it's a beacon school) for both reading and maths.

We have a house (owned outright - no mortgage, not renting)
We have a car

okay I admit we're CURRENTLY not working but it's a temporary situation due to my husband's mobility problems, it's not a long term way of life. My husband is a very skilled computer technician. Once he has had his operation and regained some mobility he's going to be looking for a job again, and I will also be finding work once our youngest child starts primary school. Our last job was both being self employed as managing directors of our own company.

Not really sure where the hell you're getting your absolutely ridiculous assumptions about alternative people from, but they're so stupid it's laughable.

Oh and no, nobody in our house is depressed, miserable, wallowing in self pity, or any other such crap. We're a very happy cheerful family thanks.

You're so ignorant. A failure in your eyes could be success in theirs. Alternative people don't exist anyway, they're only people who aren't boring and don't want to live a typical life cause it sounds as boring as hell and means your life was decided before you left the womb!

Oh please. If you define yourself by reference to a subculture then you are actually far more of a conformist than someone who hasn't even considered the issue but happens to be 'mainstream'.

Goths, Hippies - they are reacting against the system and that is every bit as limited a stance to take as supporting the system. The system is still the thing that defines them - even more so as they are defining themselves in a negative, reactionary way

True individuals can't be neatly labelled, aren't obviously at odds with another point of view and don't belong to a sub-culture.