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Politics Edexcel Exam 13th june and 16th June - Unit 3b and Unit 4b - ideologies

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    (Original post by iheartmondays)
    Listen, I really believe you have done well. Some people will complete all three 15 markers and get lower marks for them. Don't worry. How are you feeling about 3B?
    thanks for the support 3B was much better completed all the questions. what about u how did yours go?
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    (Original post by missheyluv)
    thanks for the support 3B was much better completed all the questions. what about u how did yours go?
    Hey I'm glad I could be of help, you see you will do fine! Hmm they were ok. August will tell .. :/ LOL!
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    I keep thinking it over and while the 15 markers were decent (apart from the multiculturalism one - lack of time and major wrist cramp), I never felt like I wrote enough content for the feminism 45 marker...

    Gave a brief description of 'the personal is the political' and what Hanisch meant by it.
    Wrote about the liberal feminist approach (focus on the public sphere), the radical feminist opposing thought (focus on the private sphere) and how they both interperate patriarchal society.
    Only briefly brought in socialist feminist thought (wish I'd written more about it)
    But ultimately, I concluded that 'the personal is the political' does not define feminism because it's not a single doctrine.

    How does this sound to you all?

    I need 77/100 for an overall A, but I feel like I've just missed out...
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    (Original post by metro2610)
    I keep thinking it over and while the 15 markers were decent (apart from the multiculturalism one - lack of time and major wrist cramp), I never felt like I wrote enough content for the feminism 45 marker...

    Gave a brief description of 'the personal is the political' and what Hanisch meant by it.
    Wrote about the liberal feminist approach (focus on the public sphere), the radical feminist opposing thought (focus on the private sphere) and how they both interperate patriarchal society.
    Only briefly brought in socialist feminist thought (wish I'd written more about it)
    But ultimately, I concluded that 'the personal is the political' does not define feminism because it's not a single doctrine.

    How does this sound to you all?

    I need 77/100 for an overall A, but I feel like I've just missed out...
    If I can remember correctly and in order I structured my essay on the following/or everything I can remember I wrote down:

    • Intro...Millet's definition of 'Politics' power-structured arrangement...a group of persons control another

    • Sex and gender - reinforced values of the personal realms onto the political/public (gender-women domestic)

    • Radical feminist - patriarchy, family, father/husband, oppression, etc - revolution, political lesbianism, separation etc

    • Socialist feminist- Marxist offspring, class conflict, ruling class = men, women = opressed etc- women, personal views of men or the home (personal) ie; pay women less = financial subordination to men, reinforcing gender roles, etc

    • Liberal feminist - individualism, gender is at best secondary, women shouldn't be bond to these, individuals first, etc

    • Difference feminist - embrace, not to be man like, fundamentally different to men, no need to fight for equality etc etc

    • Post modernist feminist - Karen Armstrong, much choice and liberty for women, no need to be oppressed etc personal not political
    • Conclusion... personal is political etc


    Of course linking heavily to the question, I know I wrote more but my hand is too tired to type in detail...


    Yours sounds great! I hope you get your A
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    (Original post by iheartmondays)
    If I can remember correctly and in order I structured my essay on the following/or everything I can remember I wrote down:

    • Intro...Millet's definition of 'Politics' power-structured arrangement...a group of persons control another

    • Sex and gender - reinforced values of the personal realms onto the political/public (gender-women domestic)

    • Radical feminist - patriarchy, family, father/husband, oppression, etc - revolution, political lesbianism, separation etc

    • Socialist feminist- Marxist offspring, class conflict, ruling class = men, women = opressed etc- women, personal views of men or the home (personal) ie; pay women less = financial subordination to men, reinforcing gender roles, etc

    • Liberal feminist - individualism, gender is at best secondary, women shouldn't be bond to these, individuals first, etc

    • Difference feminist - embrace, not to be man like, fundamentally different to men, no need to fight for equality etc etc

    • Post modernist feminist - Karen Armstrong, much choice and liberty for women, no need to be oppressed etc personal not political
    • Conclusion... personal is political etc


    Of course linking heavily to the question, I know I wrote more but my hand is too tired to type in detail...


    Yours sounds great! I hope you get your A
    Wow, that sounds like that perfect answer! Damn me missing out on Post-modernism

    You'll have owned the paper by the sound of that, well in!
    Thanks for the reply, it's put my mind at ease.

    Cheers, same to you . I guess we'll see in a couple of months, but hopefully we've both nailed it :yy:
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    (Original post by iheartmondays)
    Hey I'm glad I could be of help, you see you will do fine! Hmm they were ok. August will tell .. :/ LOL!
    yep august awaits.. hope it all goes well 4 u thanks again 4 the reassurance
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    (Original post by metro2610)
    Wow, that sounds like that perfect answer! Damn me missing out on Post-modernism

    You'll have owned the paper by the sound of that, well in!
    Thanks for the reply, it's put my mind at ease.

    Cheers, same to you . I guess we'll see in a couple of months, but hopefully we've both nailed it :yy:
    Amen to that!! I don't know if I nailed it, probs 28/45marks for my feminism essay
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    (Original post by missheyluv)
    yep august awaits.. hope it all goes well 4 u thanks again 4 the reassurance
    Hey its ok the boundaries are pretty low anyway, well they were in Jan For example if you nailed the 45marker and one 15marker you could actually get an A :P

    http://www.edexcel.com/iwantto/I%20w...(Home-Int).pdf
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    (Original post by metro2610)
    I keep thinking it over and while the 15 markers were decent (apart from the multiculturalism one - lack of time and major wrist cramp), I never felt like I wrote enough content for the feminism 45 marker...

    Gave a brief description of 'the personal is the political' and what Hanisch meant by it.
    Wrote about the liberal feminist approach (focus on the public sphere), the radical feminist opposing thought (focus on the private sphere) and how they both interperate patriarchal society.
    Only briefly brought in socialist feminist thought (wish I'd written more about it)
    But ultimately, I concluded that 'the personal is the political' does not define feminism because it's not a single doctrine.

    How does this sound to you all?

    I need 77/100 for an overall A, but I feel like I've just missed out...
    what did you write for the multiculturalism 15 marker?! no one else seems to of done it
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    (Original post by sar333)
    now that the 12 hours is finally up! there hasnt been a discussion for 3b either so i ws wondering what ppl thought of that too?
    and how every1 found unit 4b yesterday?

    (Original post by Will Lucky)
    3B:
    15s: Liberalism Economic vs Social Liberalism. Conservatism- One Nation and Liberalism- Constitutionalism
    45: Socialism - Equality.

    All in all, I didn't like the paper. Hadn't done Anarchism so thats reduced to two 45 markers and I just can't write enough about imperfection so that was Conservatism out the window so I was forced to do Socialism my worst ideology which isn't great. I'm feeling like I did ok though, not a complete failure.

    4B
    15s: Ecology Sustainability, National Conservatism and Gender Inequality.
    45s: Ecology Anthropocentrism

    Again, didn't like it and not done multiculturalism and Ecology is my worst from this lot and I didn't like the Feminist question. But I actually felt quite positive afterwards, I think I did good in the end so I'm hoping that has ended well.

    I need all the luck I can get really to get an A here.

    (Original post by chloeee!)
    I only need a C this year to get an A overall, so hopefully I've managed it. For the feminism 15 marker, I said that radical feminists believed that 'gender' was a myth so therefore gender inequality would never work. Then I spoke about difference feminists who think that aiming for equality with men amounts to being male-identified, and women should instead aim to seek fulfillment as women.

    For the 45 marker, I'm actually kind of worried. I did write a lot but didn't mention socialist feminism, which I should have, but focused mainly on the differences between liberal feminism and radical feminism (liberals don't agree that the personal is the political, radicals do). Then towards the end I started realising I should probably talk about how feminism as a whole is defined by other things than that belief, and shoved in a paragraph about third-wave feminism and how they reject all-encompassing views, because they're influenced by postmodernism. So yeah, I just really hope I managed to get an A/B in this and a D in 3B so I can get a C overall at A2 to get my A!
    I did the ideologies paper for Government and Politics. And I was wondering you know on the marks scheme for the past paper, are those answers full marks?

    like theses?

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    (Original post by Jagzthebest)
    Guys what do you think
    Both exams I was extremely tired as I was sleeping in the day and waking up at night - revising in morning then doing the exam. Mainly I'm scared at how I wrote everything because I found that I remembered everything well but was all over the place (and sleepy) So guys what do you think, did I get an A? lol cos I need a B overall and the best I'm probably getting for first year is a B though I found ideologies in second year easier.

    Heres what I did

    3B

    Why do socialists support collectivism?

    Went on a long one here, kept talking about its benefits, solidarity and greater achievements as a group rather than individual self-striving

    Examples include clubs, trade unions and economically Keynesian and public ownership

    Collectivists anarchists reject state

    Modern liberals also agree on economics side but see individuals as still important

    Individualism and anarchism

    Anarchism freedom is most important

    Individualist anarchism (anarcho-capitalism) see free market as self regulating and efficient blah blah blah, agree with no state and freedom as priority, this is egotistical individualsim (classical liberalism taken to its extreme) Warren and Tucker

    Collectivist anarchists against individualism but see developmental individualism as important

    Mainly wrote about how no state has supreme importance of individual

    Social liberalism and economic liberalism

    Essentially this is a divide between classic and modern liberals

    Classic liberalists support economic liberalism (free market, milton friedmand, neoliberals in 20th century) efficency and no regulation of market

    However late 19th century saw depravity of workers so modern liberals support some social liberalism, care for others and keynsian polices (and others such as welfare etc)

    Essay on socialism support equality of outcome

    Intro - socialism is defined by equality of outcome compared to other ideologies

    Paragraph - Initially socialists were committed to same 'ends' of abolishing capitalism and creating Equality of outcome - revolutionary and evolutionary trends

    Paragraph - analysing evolutionary trend and Fabian society etc, how it failed because of workers becoming better off and 'manufacture of consent', how this evolved into reformist social democracy which supported reforming capitalism - not equality of outcome

    Paragraph - analyzing Soviet Union and how it used repression, did not support equality of outcome especially under Stalin etc

    Paragraph - social democracy and analyzing revisionists again

    Paragraph - neo revisionism and third way of Labour, modern liberal policies not supporting equality of outcome but equality of opportunity. Criticism from old socialists, Blair's rebuttal "what works what gives effect to our values" etc changing society two thirds one third majority

    Paragraph - criticism from revolutionary and old socialists including removal of worker's revolutionary instinct, Labour sold out to capitalism.

    No time for conclusion - 2 sentences detailing overall socialists had supported equality of outcome

    Wrote fast as hell used a lot of names etc was knackered though, and heres 4B


    I was kinda pissed off at the essay question on multiculturalism, I spent the entire night (I woke up at 1am) and whole morning revising nationalism, ecologism and multiculturalism and only had a half hour nap before the exam. This is how I did it all, generally I thought it went very well, but the essay question I was just in a daze at what the hell it was all about. Anyway:

    15 markers:

    1.Political nationalism and cultural nationalism

    -Nationalism is shared values, history, cultural, Mazzini quote "every nation a state, one state for each nation" strives for nation state

    -Political nationalism strives for political sovereignty (?) and the nation state as ultimate goal for unit of government, in common liberal nationalism and values of toleration, civic nationalism and freedom etc

    -Cultural nationalism refers to revival of cultural pride and history and not necessarily aimed at political sovereignty or state. For example Wales in the state of UK, reviving welsh language.

    2.How and why have ecologists/sustainability

    Sustainability because of growth and dangers of mankind

    Arne Naess distinguished between shallow and deep ecologists, also German "Realis" and "Fundis", dark and light greens respectively

    -Shallow light greens are basically enviromewntalists and want to maintain sustainbaility by reforming capitalism such as tax and renewable energy, recyling

    -criticised by deep green who want radical reform, "zero growth", schumacher "buddhist economics"

    -Definitions of sustainably I used Gaia Hypothesis by James Lovelock, his suggestion to use nuclear power and then went into "spaceship economy" analysis and closing comments about Schumacher's advice that renewable energy is the income that we use rather than the finite resources which we use as income and not treat as natural capital

    3.Conservative nationalism

    Straight forward

    -Nationalism was seen as initially revolutionary but then conservatives adopted its unity of history values and culture as a way of making a organic nation and society

    - Conservative nationalism uses history and tradition to reinforce the nation's pride and meta-narratives to convene a sense of purpose and culture

    - However conservatives are wary of immigration and the organic analogy can suffer from the organic parasite of immigration which can destabilize society and values

    -Can lead to war and aggressive nationalism, distinction between race and nation is implicit in conservative nationalism while in expansionist nationalism it is explicit

    Essay - to what extent do multiculturalists support diversity and politics of difference

    Okay like I mentioned this well but you guys will need to help me out here. I had not idea what this was trying to ask but I answered this to the best of my ability

    -Generic intro about multiculturalism

    -Liberal multiculturalism support it due to toleration J.S. Mill "dull conformism" if there are not diverse opinions and mentioned public/private divide and examples in France and USA of civic nationalism, however liberals do not support infringement on rights such as forced marriage and only see liberal democracy as the valid government for all (don't accept sharia law)

    - Pluralists argue they don't go far enough. Bikkhu Parekh and Isaiah Berlin on value pluralism and that not one culture is true different cultures liberals "absolutise" culture, Edward Said on stereotype of other nationalities in Orientalism

    -Criticism of this view from Brian Barry (2002) ?? and Amitya Sen (2006) on divide society and economic issues not being addressed

    -Cosmopolitan multiculturalism sees diversity as cultural melting pot and ultimately becoming one culture, multiculturalists would reject to this because it undermines genuine culture and can give people a sense of normlessness

    -Particularist multiculturalism and its criticism by amitya sen that it can create ghettoisation and violence

    - Had no idea what political difference meant, but had one big paragraph of gnereal criticism from conservatives, liberal universalists and feminists creating "difference" Social reformists criticism by Barry

    -Conclusion about support of diversity and creating politics of difference.

    Thats it. Phew. So guys, if you could help me there on any points I left out, especially on multiculturalism
    I did the ideologies paper for Government and Politics. And I was wondering you know on the marks scheme for the past paper, are those answers full marks?

    like theses?

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    (Original post by iheartmondays)
    Hey its ok the boundaries are pretty low anyway, well they were in Jan For example if you nailed the 45marker and one 15marker you could actually get an A :P

    http://www.edexcel.com/iwantto/I%20w...(Home-Int).pdf
    wow now that has put my mind a bit at ease! thank you your're a star
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    (Original post by sar333)
    what did you write for the multiculturalism 15 marker?! no one else seems to of done it
    Like I said, I'm certain I messed up here. Just started writing stuff haha.

    Basically said that it was a form of identity politics because it has been known to reject Western liberal ideals. Liberalism is multiculturalism's greatest critique, even though the ideology's based on many liberal principles.

    Mentioned Kymlicka's minority rights - group rights as opposed to individual ones. Also wrote about Taylor's communitarianist approach - individuals thrive better in a community as opposed to being independent and having individual desires, as liberals believe.

    Genuinely don't think I've done well it that question so I've kind of just dismissed it, sorry :rolleyes:
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    I found the 4B paper really good! i answered the 15 markers: ecologism, feminism and conservative nationalism and the 45 marker i was torn between feminism and ecologism but eventually went with 'ecologism begins where anthropocentrism ends. discuss'
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    (Original post by metro2610)
    Like I said, I'm certain I messed up here. Just started writing stuff haha.

    Basically said that it was a form of identity politics because it has been known to reject Western liberal ideals. Liberalism is multiculturalism's greatest critique, even though the ideology's based on many liberal principles.

    Mentioned Kymlicka's minority rights - group rights as opposed to individual ones. Also wrote about Taylor's communitarianist approach - individuals thrive better in a community as opposed to being independent and having individual desires, as liberals believe.

    Genuinely don't think I've done well it that question so I've kind of just dismissed it, sorry :rolleyes:
    Oh yeah what was you supposed to write about on the multiculturalism 15 marker - the identity politics?
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    (Original post by iheartmondays)
    Oh yeah what was you supposed to write about on the multiculturalism 15 marker - the identity politics?
    I think it was 'To what extent can multiculturalism be described as a form of identity politics?'

    But yeah, I had no idea
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    (Original post by iheartmondays)
    Oh yeah what was you supposed to write about on the multiculturalism 15 marker - the identity politics?
    My teacher said you had to talk about all the different parts of Multiculturalism, like minority rights, culture e.t.c.
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    (Original post by yahyahyahs)
    My teacher said you had to talk about all the different parts of Multiculturalism, like minority rights, culture e.t.c.
    I see, LOL, I most definitely defined it wrong! I was tempted to write 'LOL' next to the definition.

    If I can recall correctly, I wrote about minority rights, pluralism, self-development, diverse culture and some other stuff. Hey hopefully I can pick up 6 marks ay!

    I really did not see the feminism short question, if I did that would have been full marks easily

    What did you write love?
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    (Original post by metro2610)
    I think it was 'To what extent can multiculturalism be described as a form of identity politics?'

    But yeah, I had no idea
    HA, same boat!

    I hope the grade boundaries are low this year! I'm desperate to get into my first choice
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    (Original post by yahyahyahs)
    My teacher said you had to talk about all the different parts of Multiculturalism, like minority rights, culture e.t.c.
    :eek: I MENTIONED MINORITY RIGHTS AND COMMUNITARIANISM!

    God, I hope Edexcel love us this year

    (Original post by iheartmondays)
    HA, same boat!

    I hope the grade boundaries are low this year! I'm desperate to get into my first choice
    Hmm, same here It had to be this paper that would make or break it though, didn't it? I've always struggled with this one...

    I guess after this year I'll be beyond happy with going to Liverpool, but I'm still a sucker for Glasgow... :moon:
    Where are you hoping to get into?

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