abortion at 24 weeks is murder.

Ah right so 5 months isn't long enough for them to realise, make plans, and make a proper decision now?

Wow. Very interesting. I don't care if it leaves some women in the lurch at all, because once you cross the point of viability it becomes even more wrong to abort than it already is before that point. Under your argument women could or should be able to abort right upto 9 months, because their circumstances are liable to change, or it's unfair to make them decide something in just 1/3 of a year .

Not a sound argument. An Old person is already alive, sentienent and capable of thought, reason etc. A featous is not.

Again, showing your ignorance.

Judging women who do this completely when you have not done it yoruself, pathetic, please stick to more intelligent discussions rather than insulting women , thanks.



Nope, not at all, continuing to make things up, and you even ignored all points made again. Oh deary me.

It's for their own good that they get it done as early as possible any way. They shouldn't be allowed to put it off to the point that they have to give birth to a still born, or they have to be put out and the baby has to be killed and then torn apart and dragged out of her.

You are essentially saying that the 24 week limit should stay where it is because you feel that is the point at which it is acceptable to abort for any reason, I disagree and think it should be at least 4 weeks lower - perhaps before it actually resembles a baby to anyone with eyes.

I don't even know why you begun talking about genuine reasons why a woman might abort at that late stage because it doesn't even come into it because she can always abort if she has non-social reasons for abortions.

Disgusting for you, not other people.

I don't care what their view is. It's wrong. They might believe robbing banks is acceptable, so is it okay to go and do it? I mean if I believe robbing banks is wrong, hey, I'll just not rob banks myself and leave others to it shall I? No. Murder is wrong, end of.

And your view is wrong to them, see how little that matters?

It's not murder by definition, by law, and by objective morals. Done and done.

Sure, but you shouldn't stop them, else you ar elimiting their freedom, youa re forcing rash and quick decisions.



Good for you.



No she can't 'always' abort. You keep saying this and show no facts. Only the most serious life impacting or medical conditions will more likely than not be allowed for reasons after 24 weeks., The statistics show this. Lower done conditions and such generally don't happen, but may still happen depending on individual circumstances.

Please just say something intelligent for once. You continue to go against facts, continue to ignore the points i make, continue to make things up and lie abot what i say and continue to ramble ona bout irrelevant points. It really is pathetic now.

Lol no, because their view is it's okay to kill their child because it's an inconvienience. NATURALLY, we would have those children. Why the hell should we mess around with that?

By definition it is, by law it isn't. I don't see what difference the law makes on this.

You haven't proven that lower down conditions are refused at all... so before you do this your argument is invalid. The statistics show it doesn't happen, they don't show why. Your contention that they don't happen because of refusal is no more valid than Martyn*s contention that they don't happen because lizard men point ray guns at peoples heads and it changes their mind. Allowing abortions at 24 weeks when the child is viable isn't putting the mothers right not to be upset at giving away her child over the childs right to live at all, which is down right stupid.

Because abortion is murder. She should have kept her legs crossed.

Abstinence should be promoted instead of contraception, as abstinence is the only 100% effective way of stopping unwanted pregnancy.

Learn the definition please. Murder is unlawful killing, this is not unlawful. It is also of a human being, and what you or i think doesn't matter, the people who made the act and scientists/doctors who partaken in the dfiscussion and such agreed that it isn't classed as a human being. Again, this is the objective view, not subjective, so whether you disagree matters not.




Again and again you resort to this childish argument.

So i'll ask again, as you have ignored this twice, please find me a news report about a normal everyday average man being chosen over another average man for a normal average job, and it was a fair decision.

Thanks.

P.s. No-one cares about your subjective view. So putting your opinions all over the places does not matter, and given they make up the vast majority of your posts, just shows how little you have to add to this discussion.

It's the objective view according to the legal definition of murder.
Many people, especially the religious, have a moral definition too which is what I say abortion is murder under.

Learn the definition please. Murder is unlawful killing, this is not unlawful. It is also of a human being, and what you or i think doesn't matter, the people who made the act and scientists/doctors who partaken in the dfiscussion and such agreed that it isn't classed as a human being. Again, this is the objective view, not subjective, so whether you disagree matters not.

This isn't objective, it is completely subjective as the UK law was made by HUMANS and is therefore arbitrary. Morally, killing is wrong. Killing a baby is wrong.

Learn the definition please. Murder is unlawful killing, this is not unlawful. It is also of a human being, and what you or i think doesn't matter, the people who made the act and scientists/doctors who partaken in the dfiscussion and such agreed that it isn't classed as a human being. Again, this is the objective view, not subjective, so whether you disagree matters not.




Again and again you resort to this childish argument.

So i'll ask again, as you have ignored this twice, please find me a news report about a normal everyday average man being chosen over another average man for a normal average job, and it was a fair decision.

Thanks.

P.s. No-one cares about your subjective view. So putting your opinions all over the places does not matter, and given they make up the vast majority of your posts, just shows how little you have to add to this discussion.

The trouble is I am not trying to promote a policy of killing viable babies off of the back of the facts you are asking me for. If women were in dire need of abortions post 24 weeks and they were being refused a doctor, an MP, and a whole plethora of women's rights groups would have spoken out about it. Seeing as the entire internet is silent the only obvious thing to presume is that such cases don't exist, or are extremely freak occurences.

I think the problem you're having here is that both of our views are subjective, yours moreso than mine, and you fail to realise that.

Further to my point above here is some evidence for womens attitudes towards abortions:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/351977

For god sdake, would you shut up.

AGAIN you make things up. It is really getting stupidly pathetic now.

I never stated anything about an abortion being refused after 24 weeks when the woman is in DIRE NEED.

Jesus christ stop with the lies, it is ****ing pathetic.



Except mine is backed up by medical professionals, researchers, MP debates, the law, polls, etc etc =]

or does that ruin your point?



1) Doesn't say that
2) From USA
3) 1987 < LOL

Silly kids, stay away from discussions, learn what a real source is

P.s. Good job on ignoring points AGAIN ha !. Getting good at it.

Then WTF have you been going on about it being some sort of travesty to lower abortions from 24 to 20 weeks for then? All throughout the thread you have been trying to say that it is necessary because that is when most genetic defects are discovered; but that is unimportant to this whole debate because you have finally admitted that women can get an abortion whenever they want if it affects their health or if the baby has defects. So now what are we debating? Whether it is right or wrong for a mother to abort a child at 20 weeks for other reasons, like the fact she can't afford to buy it nikes or something? I thought you were complaining about subjective . Bloody hell, you are actually a walking, talking, advert for aborting the mentally retarded.