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Original post by cgraham15
Who would enjoy the risk of rape and murder each time they do business?

Those that work on the street only fear that as agencies are more stringent with whom get to see the women, also they share information with each other so if there is one trouble maker, he/she is barred for all other escort agencies.

As for rape, how so? they are paid before they start and most carry various items to help them get out of such situations.
Reply 81
Original post by Stefan1991
But your 'belief' doesn't hold up to the facts. There is no reason why someone who likes the idea of having sex for a living for a lot of money has a "mental illness".
Just because someone enjoys doing something that you wouldn't doesn't make them "troubled".

Look at Sasha Grey, at the age of 18 she decided she hated the mono-culture of sexually repressiveness inherent in society. She then wrote to heads of adult-film production companies and insisted they give her a job telling them exactly what kind of sexual acts she was interested in doing.

She cites the reason she became a pornographic actress as "to help stop the stigma and stop the stereotypes against the adult film industry".
When asked "why porn" she replied "because it feels good". She comes from a supportive background, had a happy childhood and has no mental issues.

A. O. Scott of The New York Times described her pornographic career as "distinguished both by the extremity of what she is willing to do and an unusual degree of intellectual seriousness about doing it."


I'm not saying they have a mental illness. If you look at the two examples posed there is bound to be something in their past a factor that has compelled them to take up that profession. I think having a career in the adult industry where you are working with other pornographic actors to produce pornographic films is very different to a prostitute that sells sex to clients for money, surely you can see that.
Original post by tehFrance
Those that work on the street only fear that as agencies are more stringent with whom get to see the women, also they share information with each other so if there is one trouble maker, he/she is barred for all other escort agencies.

As for rape, how so? they are paid before they start and most carry various items to help them get out of such situations.


erm, I'm not gonna go into details :redface:
Reply 83
Original post by Casshern1456
Yeah, but through word of mouth and family friends it will eventually be known to both our families my wife or daughter is in that industry, it will inevitably be heard by the rest of the neighborhood that we have someone doing porn and to avoid any comments or remarks about people in my family it's best to stop it at it's root. ie, find a good woman in a decent job.
So basically you're going to allow what other people think to dictate your life. Interesting... you know, I would prefer to live my own life how I see fit despite what other more ignorant/prejudiced people dream up in their little closed-off minds. But that's just me.

Who cares if they know? Shout it from the rooftops and be proud of it.

Original post by Casshern1456

obviously if you were to live in say a desert with almost no social interactions then it's fine whatever you do, you can even have sex and lock your daughter in the basement like Frizel; but in completely normal middle-class family this is deemed unacceptable.

And homosexuality was once deemed unacceptable by "normal middle-class families". So a person could not even admit who they really were, they had to deny their self and their sexuality, just to fit in with 'appearances'. How superficial.

Only closed-minded people would find such things 'unacceptable'.

All these moral jackasses who are convinced that sex or selling sex is bad don't live by that... but because of their moral hypocrisy there are others who hear that message and try to live by it...

...even though every ounce of their rationality and their biological instincts resists what they have been force fed into their minds.

Guilt is what we feel when we violate our own sense of morality, or have conflicting moral beliefs about what we've done.

Shame comes from others. Those who seek to coerce us to conform to their beliefs use shaming as their control tactic.

Most people are ashamed to live openly, ashamed to admit to others who they really are.

Sadly, many of us don't even truly know ourselves. You wear a mask for so long and you forget who you were beneath it.
Original post by cgraham15
erm, I'm not gonna go into details :redface:

What? :lolwut:
They're people, and deserve rights and respect like anyone else.
Reply 86
Original post by eff01
I'm not saying they have a mental illness. If you look at the two examples posed there is bound to be something in their past a factor that has compelled them to take up that profession. I think having a career in the adult industry where you are working with other pornographic actors to produce pornographic films is very different to a prostitute that sells sex to clients for money, surely you can see that.


The differences don't seem significant enough to be worth mentioning. Both are having sex for money. Just one has a camera in front of it and the other one doesn't.

Nonetheless, Sasha Grey said,"You should be able to explore your sexuality without being ashamed of who you are inside." Including wanting to be a sex worker.

Sasha Grey "I want to change how women are perceived as asexual beings."
"A lot of women are repressed sexually. I want to show women that is okay to have fantasies. It's okay to push your own boundaries. And I'm here to push my own boundaries."

Porn for her was a political statement. In the same way many women will do sex work in order to fund their studies, or empower themselves as women.
Reply 87
They deserve more respect than people who leech off the government without trying to rectify the situation.
Reply 88
Original post by cgraham15
Who would enjoy the risk of rape and murder each time they do business? Or having to have sex with weirdos?


Risk of rape and murder? I guess you don't advocate walking down the street then...

The kind of life you're suggesting people should live is a very miserable and pathetic one.
Original post by Stefan1991
But your 'belief' doesn't hold up to the facts. There is no reason why someone who likes the idea of having sex for a living for a lot of money has a "mental illness".
Just because someone enjoys doing something that you wouldn't doesn't make them "troubled".

Look at Sasha Grey, at the age of 18 she decided she hated the mono-culture of sexually repressiveness inherent in society. She then wrote to heads of adult-film production companies and insisted they give her a job telling them exactly what kind of sexual acts she was interested in doing.

She cites the reason she became a pornographic actress as "to help stop the stigma and stop the stereotypes against the adult film industry".
When asked "why porn" she replied "because it feels good". She comes from a supportive background, had a happy childhood and has no mental issues.

A. O. Scott of The New York Times described her pornographic career as "distinguished both by the extremity of what she is willing to do and an unusual degree of intellectual seriousness about doing it."


The same Sasha Grey who quit the porn industry after a grand total of three years? I doubt she enjoyed it that much.
Its not really that hard to eradicate prostitution all you need is the state to truly give women equal rights and opportunities.(good luck finding that state)

another factor to eradicating it is to stem the flow of the porn industry as well because thanks to this some of us men will seem to think women are only sex-objects.The media can also be blamed for their love of portraying women as only mere sex-objects as well (remember the phrase sex sells watch out for it the next time you see a women in an add because usually all their wearing is a bikini and a bra lynx for example)
Original post by Stefan1991
Risk of rape and murder? I guess you don't advocate walking down the street then...

The kind of life you're suggesting people should live is a very miserable and pathetic one.


wait what the heck are you on about? Obviously being a prostitute would not be a good job, weirdo
Reply 92
Original post by laura130490
The same Sasha Grey who quit the porn industry after a grand total of three years? I doubt she enjoyed it that much.


She has starred in over 250 films, became world famous and award-winning. She says she has done as much as she could possibly do in the adult film industry and pushed her boundaries as far as they could be pushed, so it was time pursue other artistic endeavours. I guess there's only so much you can do in one art form. She's now pursuing modelling, art and regular film acting. She's also been doing charitable work and reading to schoolchildren.

She also published a book which shares with the reader her "visual mosaic through photography, my sexual philosophy, and observations."

Sasha Grey: "It’s become quite evident that my time as an adult film performer has expired. Don’t worry, I haven’t found Jesus. One thing is for certain, I’m proud to say I have no regrets, I genuinely feel I accomplished everything I could as a performer. I was able to work with the industry’s most professional performers and companies, and I’ll always cherish the friends and relationships I was able to build. It was simply the perfect time for me to move on while I was on top (pun indeed, intended). Life sometimes takes us in a direction we never could have imagined.”

Original post by cgraham15
wait what the heck are you on about? Obviously being a prostitute would not be a good job, weirdo


Tell that to Belle Du Jour.
Reply 93
Original post by Stefan1991
Why wouldn't you approve of their career choice? :lolwut:


I just don't really like the whole idea of it: of course prostitution happens and it should be accepted so that the people involved are safe. I suppose it makes ones love life difficult and I struggle to see how you could live like that. The destructive element is the sticking point for me, few prostitutes seem to live without abuse.
Original post by Stefan1991
She has starred in over 250 films, became world famous and award-winning. She says she has done as much as she could possibly do in the adult film industry and pushed her boundaries as far as they could be pushed, so it was time pursue other artistic endeavours. I guess there's only so much you can do in one art form. She's now pursuing modelling, art and regular film acting. She's also been doing charitable work and reading to schoolchildren.

She also published a book which shares with the reader her "visual mosaic through photography, my sexual philosophy, and observations."

Sasha Grey: "It’s become quite evident that my time as an adult film performer has expired. Don’t worry, I haven’t found Jesus. One thing is for certain, I’m proud to say I have no regrets, I genuinely feel I accomplished everything I could as a performer. I was able to work with the industry’s most professional performers and companies, and I’ll always cherish the friends and relationships I was able to build. It was simply the perfect time for me to move on while I was on top (pun indeed, intended). Life sometimes takes us in a direction we never could have imagined.”



Tell that to Belle Du Jour.


In other words, she made her money, got famous and then decided to pursue a career she really wanted, professional acting. I just don't buy that she felt she achieved all she wanted to so had to leave. If you love a job as much as she supposedly loved her's and was good it at, had loads of fans, won awards and made **** loads of money, you wouldn't leave after three years to try and pursue other work. Makes no sense what so ever, why quit doing what you love?
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Original post by Stefan1991
The differences don't seem significant enough to be worth mentioning. Both are having sex for money. Just one has a camera in front of it and the other one doesn't.

Nonetheless, Sasha Grey said,"You should be able to explore your sexuality without being ashamed of who you are inside." Including wanting to be a sex worker.

Sasha Grey "I want to change how women are perceived as asexual beings."
"A lot of women are repressed sexually. I want to show women that is okay to have fantasies. It's okay to push your own boundaries. And I'm here to push my own boundaries."

Porn for her was a political statement. In the same way many women will do sex work in order to fund their studies, or empower themselves as women.


I think it is significant! I doubt highly that a prostitute who goes out and sleeps with strangers and not pornographic actors is doing it to explore their sexuality. A porn star performs sex acts in front of a camera with a fellow pornographic actor. It is normally contrived, edited and re done, so it is wholly an artificial process taken place over numerous takes. A prostitute sleeps with strangers for money and doesn't see the profession as a performance. Economic circumstances, drug addiction and in more cases exploitation and trafficking are the reason prostitutes decide to sell their bodies to STRANGERS for sex.
My point is that they should be treated with respect, as there are always severe circumstances that compel a person to sell themselves to strangers for money, that does not mean they are bad people, so we should not judge their actions with callous.
Original post by Stefan1991
So basically you're going to allow what other people think to dictate your life. Interesting... you know, I would prefer to live my own life how I see fit despite what other more ignorant/prejudiced people dream up in their little closed-off minds. But that's just me.

Who cares if they know? Shout it from the rooftops and be proud of it.


And homosexuality was once deemed unacceptable by "normal middle-class families". So a person could not even admit who they really were, they had to deny their self and their sexuality, just to fit in with 'appearances'. How superficial.

Only closed-minded people would find such things 'unacceptable'.

All these moral jackasses who are convinced that sex or selling sex is bad don't live by that... but because of their moral hypocrisy there are others who hear that message and try to live by it...

...even though every ounce of their rationality and their biological instincts resists what they have been force fed into their minds.

Guilt is what we feel when we violate our own sense of morality, or have conflicting moral beliefs about what we've done.

Shame comes from others. Those who seek to coerce us to conform to their beliefs use shaming as their control tactic.

Most people are ashamed to live openly, ashamed to admit to others who they really are.

Sadly, many of us don't even truly know ourselves. You wear a mask for so long and you forget who you were beneath it.


It's true what you said, we all live to please the crowd. But I would still not encourage people in my family/friends to go into the porn industry for fear of contracting an STI or being subjected to forms of violence and doing something they regret in the future.

I guess in the end it's not shame or setting a bad example which will deter me from letting people go into that industry it's actually their safety that im concerned about, and i guess we're all led to believe in that industry your loved ones could be exposed to bad-influences, meeting bad people who will exploit them.
Reply 97
The vast vast majority of street prostitutes have a serious drug (usually heroin or crack) and or alcohol problem. They often come from very difficult backgrounds (childhood sexual abuse is a common feature amongst street prostitutes) and they are often in abusive and unstable relationships.

People may want to think that they are on the street because they like sex, because they want to empower themselves, because they don't want to claim benefits, or whatever other reason they use to justify having sex with vulnerable women. The reality is most of them are unable to work due to leaving school young and having a chaotic drug based life and are in a situation where they will do anything for money because heroin makes you a desperate person. Often abusive partners will 'encourage' women onto the streets. Most of them are drunk and on drugs when they work just to get through it. Prostitutes have a much higher chance of being assaulted than other women. Who would chose that lifestyle?

I do respect prostitutes because I respect women but it is an illusion if people think it is a respectable profession.

I don't know a lot about "higher class" prostitutes but honestly I suspect much of it is drug sustained, if not drug motivated.
Reply 98
Original post by eff01
I think it is significant! I doubt highly that a prostitute who goes out and sleeps with strangers and not pornographic actors is doing it to explore their sexuality. A porn star performs sex acts in front of a camera with a fellow pornographic actor. It is normally contrived, edited and re done, so it is wholly an artificial process taken place over numerous takes. A prostitute sleeps with strangers for money and doesn't see the profession as a performance. Economic circumstances, drug addiction and in more cases exploitation and trafficking are the reason prostitutes decide to sell their bodies to STRANGERS for sex.


Reality check. We sell our bodies to strangers all the time. It's called wage labour. We rent ourselves for a few hours so some strangers can make money off us.

There are many people who cannot satisfy their sex drives through normal means. Sometimes they become sex workers. Yes, obviously people like drug addicts are going to choose sex work as a way to get quick and easy money to fund their habit, doesn't mean all sex workers are drug addicts.

Stop taking such a one-dimensional and unnecessarily negative view on why people might want to do this type of work. They may be students, they may be people who just like the idea. They may be people with no skills and see it as easy work. "Economic circumstances" isn't that the reason why anyone gets a job? No one does a 9-5 just for the fun of it.

Original post by eff01
My point is that they should be treated with respect, as there are always severe circumstances that compel a person to sell themselves to strangers for money, that does not mean they are bad people, so we should not judge their actions with callous.

No, there are not "always" severe circumstances. Stop stereotyping. Many people have sex with strangers, sometimes they don't even get paid.
Reply 99
Original post by Casshern1456
It's true what you said, we all live to please the crowd. But I would still not encourage people in my family/friends to go into the porn industry for fear of contracting an STI or being subjected to forms of violence and doing something they regret in the future.
But you can contract an STI just from having sex with someone you know. Adult-film actors and their partners are required to take tests every month just in case.
So what if you catch the clap once or twice? It's not the end of the world. No one decides to go unemployed for life incase they catch the flu at the office.
Because let's face it, that would be stupid.

And what kind of violence are you talking about? Nobody is forced to do anything they don't want to.

Original post by Casshern1456
I guess in the end it's not shame or setting a bad example which will deter me from letting people go into that industry it's actually their safety that im concerned about, and i guess we're all led to believe in that industry your loved ones could be exposed to bad-influences, meeting bad people who will exploit them.

The idea that the adult-film industry is full of "bad people" just waiting to exploit you is another stupid misconception. They are just your regular friendly people there to do a job. It's all very professional and regulated. If they weren't they'd get shut down.

What makes you think it's not as safe as any other regular job? It's a hell of a lot safer than the police force, fire brigade or the army. Lot's of people choose to put their actual lives in danger doing that, just without the stigma. There are far more dangerous jobs which are for some reason completely fine.

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