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Integrate e^(x*y) dx using a substitution

Full differential equation:

x*(dy/dx) + y = e^(x*y)

=> d(xy)/dx = e^(x*y)

Then integrate, using a substitution.

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Reply 1
Integrate both sides wrt x & you get...

xy = integral e^(x*y) dx

Sub u=x*y & work out du/dx etc, see what you get. You'll end up with some cancellations.
(edited 12 years ago)
Reply 2
I would suggest substitute u=xyu = xy into the differential equation.

dudx=y+xdydx\displaystyle \Rightarrow \frac{du}{dx} = y + x\frac{dy}{dx}

 dudx=eu\displaystyle \therefore \ \frac{du}{dx} = e^u


You clearly cannot integrate the way you suggested! This makes no sense. :tongue:
Reply 3
Original post by gff
I would suggest substitute u=xyu = xy into the differential equation.

dudx=y+xdydx\displaystyle \Rightarrow \frac{du}{dx} = y + x\frac{dy}{dx}

 dudx=eu\displaystyle \therefore \ \frac{du}{dx} = e^u


You clearly cannot integrate the way you suggested! This makes no sense. :tongue:


I'm sorry, but I'm quite confused by this. :confused: In this sense that I already found this and have tried to proceed with this substitution...
Reply 4
Original post by Dragonfly9093
I'm sorry, but I'm quite confused by this. :confused: In this sense that I already found this and have tried to proceed with this substitution...


Which part would you like me to clarify? :tongue:
Reply 5
Original post by gff
Which part would you like me to clarify? :tongue:


Do you mean the question makes no sense or the substitution makes no sense?
Reply 6
Original post by Dragonfly9093
Do you mean the question makes no sense or the substitution makes no sense?


I don't see how you can compute exy(x) dx\displaystyle \int e^{x \cdot y(x)}\ dx when you are trying to find y(x)y(x). The approach does not seem appropriate to me.

They way I suggested will lead you to the right answer.
Reply 7
Original post by gff
I don't see how you can compute exy(x) dx\displaystyle \int e^{x \cdot y(x)}\ dx when you are trying to find y(x)y(x). The approach does not seem appropriate to me.

They way I suggested will lead you to the right answer.


d(xy)/dx = e^(x*y)
xy = integral e^(x*y) dx
xy = u
du/dx = xdy/dx + y = e^(x*y)=e^u
dx= du/e^u
u = integral e^u /e^u du
u = integral 1 du
u = u + c

Boundary conditions y=1, x=1
xy = xy + c
1 = 1 + c
xy = xy
So that just seems pointless.
Wasn't that the way you were suggesting? I substituted u = xy into the differential equation.
Reply 8
Original post by gff
I would suggest substitute u=xyu = xy into the differential equation.

dudx=y+xdydx\displaystyle \Rightarrow \frac{du}{dx} = y + x\frac{dy}{dx}

 dudx=eu\displaystyle \therefore \ \frac{du}{dx} = e^u


You clearly cannot integrate the way you suggested! This makes no sense. :tongue:


Do you mean du/dx = e^u => u = e^u + c
xy = e^(xy) + c
1 = e + c
xy = e^(xy) + (1-e)
Reply 9
Be careful with those expressions! Some of the things you attempt don't work.

eu du=dx\int e^{-u}\ du = \int dx

eu=x+c1\Rightarrow -e^{-u} = x + c_1

u=ln(cx)\Rightarrow u = -\ln(c - x)

 yx=ln(cx)\therefore \ yx = -\ln(c - x)
Reply 10
Original post by Dragonfly9093
Do you mean du/dx = e^u => u = e^u + c
xy = e^(xy) + c
1 = e + c
xy = e^(xy) + (1-e)


This is wrong...
Reply 11
Original post by gff
Be careful with those expressions! Some of the things you attempt don't work.

eu du=dx\int e^{-u}\ du = \int dx

eu=x+c1\Rightarrow -e^{-u} = x + c_1

u=ln(cx)\Rightarrow u = -\ln(c - x)

 yx=ln(cx)\therefore \ yx = -\ln(c - x)


Cheers, was just doing this now. Realised I didn't rearrange to get:

integral 1/e^u du = integral dx

Feel stupid. :frown:

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