Would you have a relationship with a transgender person?

all we can go on, as in any area of life and knowledge, is the opinion that has the most credibilty, backing and evidence...

in this case most medical profesionals, along with sociolgoists, psychologists and scitentits... agree with the opinions i am stating

(as can be demonstraited by fact that the UK law is on my side, and so is the NHS)

as for, whether people know their own gender - a trans person (such as myself) knows and feels gender just as strongly as you do. our opinions are no less valid then yours...

just in the same way as you feel about yourself, is how we feel...

I mean you think this is a choice? or something people do lightly... - go through years of torment, agony, abuse... getting stared at, attacked in the street, laguhed out of bathrooms, fired from their jobs, disowned by their families, left by their partners... raped. killed..

and after going through all that - after going through more then you could imagine, just to prove ones gender to society --- you then turn up and say: just because this is how they feel, they may be wrong....

to put it simply: GENDER IS HOW YOU FEEL/THINK, you cant be wrong about your own gender... if they feel female, their gender is female. simple as.

I'll make this short because I want to go to sleep.*
I wasn't talking about you. Saying my opinion is douche-tastic is not respecting it.
I said the common and liberal point to portray that I am not some closed minded bigot, and that if you have a problem with me simply having an open minded opinion then good luck dealing rudely with people who have nothing against you - it won't speed up your cause.
A couple of people (not you, again) said (I'm paraphrasing here) that transgender people feel a certain way, therefore whatever they feel is true is correct, and that I am incorrect as I have "little experience" in the topic (which is so ridiculous I don't have time to go into).

And by the way, you personally seem to have misunderstood my beliefs as you have taken the terms 'gender' and 'sex' too literally - I wasn't even considering the differences when I wrote my posts, so you appear to have taken quite a few things I've said in the wrong way. You were perfectly polite, however.

Good luck to the rest of you if this is the way you behave to accepting people who have different, yet open minded beliefs to you. It leaves very little of society with which you can truly get along with.

Don't have time to respond properly - but I don't believe I inherently feel a gender. I'm just an organism in a male body, therefore am a man, in my opinion.

Only until I realized...

And by the way, you personally seem to have misunderstood my beliefs as you have taken the terms 'gender' and 'sex' too literally - I wasn't even considering the differences when I wrote my posts, so you appear to have taken quite a few things I've said in the wrong way. You were perfectly polite, however.

so if you loved someone (but didnt have a sexual relationship) - and had such a strong bond with them, got on with them better then anyone else, and had a true connection with them...

And then found out they were trans..

you would leave them?

then you dismiss the views of scientists, psycholgist, sociologists etc. - who have studied the subject in depth for many many years...

I KNOW I said I wouldnt respond again but this too good. You basically just implied that despite me not feeling that I have a gender separate to my body I am wrong. Too ironic after reading your other comments!



Goodbye. Trust me, I mean it this time. I'd be mad to come back after reading that!

I KNOW I said I wouldnt respond again but this too good. You basically just implied that despite me not feeling that I have a gender separate to my body I am wrong. Too ironic after reading your other comments!



Goodbye. Trust me, I mean it this time. I'd be mad to come back after reading that!

I think you are confusing feeling you have a gender and knowing what your sex is. You feel your gender (whether you are aware of this feeling is another story) in how you feel. For example what makes you feel like a man? You can say you have a penis by having a penis makes you feel like a man how? Masculine? Your gender is encompassed by you behavior and identity. So how you act and feel about your actions and social role is reflective of how you feel about your gender. Acknowledging that you have a penis not so much to do with gender.


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Nice to see peoples medical conditions amuses you.

Legal distinctions about what constitutes male and female/man/woman are irrelevant concerning sexual attraction tbh. For example, Luke off Big Brother still has wide feminine hips and a defined waist- i am not sexually attracted to feminine features in other people. It's un PC to say this, but I just don't think i'd ever find a trans man i was actually attracted to enough.

Arguing that you should consider it because they posses 'the collection of parts you want' is just stupid. Going around with a check list for body parts and looking for how they are viewed before the British legal system is not how people look for sexual partners. The people berating others for saying no should shut up and respect different views on this.