Daraya, Sryia: Latest Massacre done by rebels - Robert Fisk

What's your point? That both sides have killed civilians? I think by now we're all more or less aware that the "Arab Spring" isn't going to bring about peace-loving, free democracies with the rule of law like so many initially hoped it would.

What's your point? That both sides have killed civilians? I think by now we're all more or less aware that the "Arab Spring" isn't going to bring about peace-loving, free democracies with the rule of law like so many initially hoped it would.

That is certainly not what we are being sold in the mainstream media.

The arab spring has been largely negative, yet any sort of general update, report or documentary puts a positive, pro-democracy, secular spin on it.

And my point is that the latest and largest massacre was commited by the rebels against not just troops or Shabiha, by normal public sector workers like Postal workers, police, civil servants .... Yet every major source (apart from the Indy with Robert Fisk) tells us that the government as just killed "civilians" (how general, right?), citing their source as being from "activists" (seriously that word really ****** me off).

Officially, no word of such talks between the enemies has been mentioned. But senior Syrian officers told The Independent how they had "exhausted all possibilities of reconciliation" with those holding the town

Another man said that, although he had not seen the dead in the graveyard, he believed that most were related to the government army and included several off-duty conscripts.