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Actually going by your previous statements, from what i can tell blaiming the victim is exactly what you were doing. i.e.:


I get really pissed when people try to say, 'well the man should know better.' Seriously? Sure. In an ideal world! If you dress like a slut and are so drunk you cannot even speak, whose fault is it that some scum picks you off the street and rapes you?

And you haven't answered my question, should gay couples be discouraged from holding hands in the street?

I accidentally left the prison doors open. No worries, they will know better than to escape

You seem to think that provoking a crime is not a bad thing.

If I see a gang of thugs carrying metal bars down the street, do I go out of my way to interact with them? It isn't my fault that I got my head smashed in, or is it.. surely by walking away I averted the circumstance. Don't get me wrong, circumstances like this don't change the doer's deed, but they can influence causation.

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No you seem to think that a girl dressing in a certain manner is somehow provoking a crime. A girl going out and having fun with friends is hardly "provoking a crime". Your analogy doesn't follow the same logic. Intentionally interacting with people that you can clearly have bad intentions that will probably beat you up is not the same as someone going out minding their own business dressed in manner they feel fit then getting raped.

You have no sympathy for someone getting raped? That's a bold statement to make. And you are going to be a lawer!

I can't see how getting intoxicated is looking for sexual attention?

And can't understand your logic either. Why should we discourage people from doing things that has absolutely no effect on other people. If a woman wants to go out and get drunk then she should be able to considering it is her life and she should be free to choose how she should live it. Her actions aren't harming anyone else.

I really can't see how you can show such contempt for this as far as to say you would have no sympathy for them getting raped.

By that logic gay couples shouldn't hold hands in the street because there are people out there that are so homophobic that they may decide to throw verbal or even physical abuse at the gay couple.

Yes, let us blame the victims and not the perpetrators of crime.

I am a girl and I completely agree.

I get really pissed when people try to say, 'well the man should know better.' Seriously? Sure. In an ideal world! If you dress like a slut and are so drunk you cannot even speak, whose fault is it that some scum picks you off the street and rapes you?

If you leave your car unlocked with the key in the ignition, would you say that the robber should know better?

People need to stop being naive and stupid. Women should also start taking more responsibility for their actions.

I will happily answer that: If there is an increased risk of homophobic attack and risk to the person, then hell yes! Though it is the state's job to protect the people, where this is not possible does not common sense kick in? People need to exercise some of the aforementioned. Too often they feel they have a legal right which gives them a 'right'. They can whinge about that in court, unfortunately for the present they are being beat up.

So basically homosexual couples and women should research where they can and cannot act accordingly?
Do you think the women that get raped in nights out are stupid enough to walk down "rape alley" by themself?

Finally that someone sees it from my POV! Yes in an ideal world it wouldn't be a issue, but this world can be very dark at times and is far from ideal. Bad stuff happens and when you consciously heighten the risk of something bad happening then you've increased the chance of something bad happening.

It's incredibly naive to think that a young woman going out dressed like a stripper wouldn't get the wrong type of attention. We don't live in a crime free world.

Are there bad people out there? Yes.
Can a woman's dress increase likelihood of a crime? Yes.
You are therefore intentionally interacting with bad people when you go out, unless you hold the opinion that predators do not exist. In which case, yes, you are entirely correct, yippie, I'll get the space cakes out!

That is actually not the same thing. Of course they shouldn't although in some overly religious communities, you would be advised not to for fear of prosecution. You would not openly do that in a place like Afghanistan would you? Unless you want to be stoned or put in jail or something.

We all have a right to act how we want and a woman of course has the right to dress how she wants and drink as much as she wants on a night out. She doesn't deserve to be raped because of that obviously. But actions have consequences. You have to realise that whatever choices you make, there is a consequence of that action. You should always try and prevent something from happening if you can.

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No if you see someone holding an offensive weapon you automatically have reason to believe that person is possible danger and you probably shouldn't interact with that person. On the other hand if a woman goes out dressed in revealing clothing and happens to come across a potential rapist unless she is the type of person that automatically assumes every male they meet is a potential rapist then they have no reason to believe they are in any danger. If he then later decides to rape her that is purely his fault not hers. She did not aticipate being raped. Equally if a woman goes out and is dressed in revealing clothing and doesn't even interact with any males but still happens to get raped (which happens) that is still not her fault.

TBH the potential for getting raped is probably relatively the same whether the woman is dressed in revealing clothing or not. So what should we suggest then that women avoid men altogether. Or better yet women avoid going out altogether.

No if you see someone holding an offensive weapon you automatically have reason to believe that person is possible danger and you probably shouldn't interact with that person. On the other hand if a woman goes out dressed in revealing clothing and happens to come across a potential rapist unless she is the type of person that automatically assumes every male they meet is a potential rapist then they have no reason to believe they are in any danger. If he then later decides to rape her that is purely his fault not hers. She did not aticipate being raped. Equally if a woman goes out and is dressed in revealing clothing and doesn't even interact with any males but still happens to get raped (which happens) that is still not her fault.

TBH the potential for getting raped is probably relatively the same whether the woman is dressed in revealing clothing or not. So what should we suggest then that women avoid men altogether. Or better yet women avoid going out altogether.

I completely agree. Sure a woman should feel free to dress how she wants but people need to wake up - and fast. You can't live your life with the belief that you can make whatever choices you want and not have to suffer whatever consequences or repercussions that might ensue. Life does not work like that.

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It's exactly the same thing. To suggest women shouldn't dress revealingly in public for fear of personal safety is the same as gay couples not being allowed to hold hands for fear of personal safety.

But would you go to a country that publicly persecutes homosexuals and make an open demonstration of homosexuality? Would you actually do that? I never said it is right but do show some signs of self preservation, please.

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I lol'd!

He's not grasping this point at all. This is the exact point that I'm making. For some things in life, you just don't do it - whatever 'it' may be.