You CAN'T justify anti-homosexual views.
From a rational perspective, you CAN'T justify anti-homosexual views. It's an IMPOSSIBLE task.
Sure you're going to be against homosexuality if your religion tells you to be, but that's where the argument ends. You can't begin to rationalize your beliefs, you have to simply believe it because your Lord told you to do so.
In the Quran God didn't give a logical reason to be against homosexuality, I'm not sure about Christianity.
Common arguments are:
-In a homosexual relationship the couples cannot reproduce, therefore it goes against human nature - by that logic asexuality is also a sin.
-Anal sex is dirty, painful and can spread diseases - Not all male homosexuals engage in sodomy, some engage in fellacio (penis in mouth), kissing and touching only.
Fact of the matter is, homosexual relationships are perfectly fine if they stay safe (use lube if going from the backside) and use condoms.
If you're homophobic and not religious, this is the crux of your argument: "Ew he wants to stick it up my backside".
If you're homophobic and religious, this is the crux of your argument: "It says so here in this book".
Sure you're going to be against homosexuality if your religion tells you to be, but that's where the argument ends. You can't begin to rationalize your beliefs, you have to simply believe it because your Lord told you to do so.
In the Quran God didn't give a logical reason to be against homosexuality, I'm not sure about Christianity.
Common arguments are:
-In a homosexual relationship the couples cannot reproduce, therefore it goes against human nature - by that logic asexuality is also a sin.
-Anal sex is dirty, painful and can spread diseases - Not all male homosexuals engage in sodomy, some engage in fellacio (penis in mouth), kissing and touching only.
Fact of the matter is, homosexual relationships are perfectly fine if they stay safe (use lube if going from the backside) and use condoms.
If you're homophobic and not religious, this is the crux of your argument: "Ew he wants to stick it up my backside".
If you're homophobic and religious, this is the crux of your argument: "It says so here in this book".
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I'm not homophobic (I know this is the typical way a homophobic would start their sentence) as in I have no problem with men having sex with each other. It's the characteristics of SOME gay men which I do not like. You know the type... the bitchy, vain and attention seeking men who seem to be basing their personality on the stereotypes of women. Incidentally I also hate women who are also like this.
I agree with what you've said about the religious reasons not making sense.
I agree with what you've said about the religious reasons not making sense.
Original post by Jordooooom
I'm not homophobic (I know this is the typical way a homophobic would start their sentence) as in I have no problem with men having sex with each other. It's the characteristics of SOME gay men which I do not like. You know the type... the bitchy, vain and attention seeking men who seem to be basing their personality on the stereotypes of women. Incidentally I also hate women who are also like this.
I agree with what you've said about the religious reasons not making sense.
I agree with what you've said about the religious reasons not making sense.
This.
I wouldn't know if alot of people were gay if they never said anything. I'm bi myself but don't expect anyone to accept that. My parents don't know. Some guys really hate it because it's meant to be 'the man's place' to take a woman sexually and showing masculine traits. Even if I didn't agree with homosexuality I wouldn't see any reason to get so het up about it in my ay to day life. If I can't see what other people are doing in their bedroom why should it concern me?
I'm not into ostentatious pride parades through. That's asking to piss off people and perpetuate stereotypes, not makes them want to accept us LGBT people any more.
I'm not into ostentatious pride parades through. That's asking to piss off people and perpetuate stereotypes, not makes them want to accept us LGBT people any more.
Original post by Multitalented me
You sound like a monumental douche, homosexuals are human too. What they do in the spare time isn't for us to judge.
I think he's being satirical? Seeing as he once started a thread saying that he may be bi
I personally don't like the whole flamboyant gay culture.
You don't need to justify homophobia. You are entitled to your own thoughts. You can't justify discriminating because of it.
I'm as entitled to disliking gay people as I am to disliking Brussels sprouts.
I'm not homophobic by the way, I am merely standing up for freedom of opinion as long as you keep it to yourself.
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I'm as entitled to disliking gay people as I am to disliking Brussels sprouts.
I'm not homophobic by the way, I am merely standing up for freedom of opinion as long as you keep it to yourself.
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Original post by Jordooooom
I'm not homophobic (I know this is the typical way a homophobic would start their sentence) as in I have no problem with men having sex with each other. It's the characteristics of SOME gay men which I do not like. You know the type... the bitchy, vain and attention seeking men who seem to be basing their personality on the stereotypes of women. Incidentally I also hate women who are also like this.
I agree with what you've said about the religious reasons not making sense.
I agree with what you've said about the religious reasons not making sense.
So you hate these specific people, how does that justify hating gay people as a whole?
Original post by shadowdweller
Too many trolls/bigots have made that argument before for people to realise you're joking 
Now that's commitment
Now that's commitment
I normally assume most of the homophobic threads on here are trolls though, so I generally applaud them for getting people so riled up.
To be honest it wouldn't be hard for me, I seem to get blue cards just for breathing on here lol
Original post by KingStannis
I normally assume most of the homophobic threads on here are trolls though, so I generally applaud them for getting people so riled up.
To be honest it wouldn't be hard for me, I seem to get blue cards just for breathing on here lol
To be honest it wouldn't be hard for me, I seem to get blue cards just for breathing on here lol
Aye, well 90% of the time they are. But it can be entertaining trying to get trolls to justify their views, sometimes
You'd have to get a fair number of blues for a ban, I think
I just don't agree with gay people being loud and proud about it- let me finish- there's no need for overly flamboyant/camp behaviour because that's usually just for attention and that doesn't reflect well on other gay people. Being gay and proud is about as ridiculous as being straight and proud. You like the same gender? Yay. I like pizza. Yay. I feel like attitudes like mine get misconstrued as homophobic and they're not. I just don't think sexuality is something to ashamed OR proud of. It's just a thing.
Original post by Scorlibran
So you hate these specific people, how does that justify hating gay people as a whole?
Where did I say I hate gay people as a whole?
The idea of the thread was great - look at how some silly users can mess it up 
Original post by EllieC130
I just don't agree with gay people being loud and proud about it- let me finish- there's no need for overly flamboyant/camp behaviour because that's usually just for attention and that doesn't reflect well on other gay people. Being gay and proud is about as ridiculous as being straight and proud. You like the same gender? Yay. I like pizza. Yay. I feel like attitudes like mine get misconstrued as homophobic and they're not. I just don't think sexuality is something to ashamed OR proud of. It's just a thing.
I can't help feel that this is a kind of closet-homophobia, the message is that it's OK to be gay but please don't sing and dance about it, that would be too much! It smacks of a difficult-to-maintain toleration rather than acceptance. So what if some gay people are into flamboyance and camping it up? Don't you have more pressing things to get worked up about? I'm no fan of musicals but as I don't go to them there's no problem. I'd also say that pride in being gay is not comparable to pride in being straight given that there's a pretty long and nasty history of gay people suffering prejudice and being persecuted for their sexuality.
Original post by ESPORTIVA
In which case, why?
Original post by EllieC130
I just don't agree with gay people being loud and proud about it- let me finish- there's no need for overly flamboyant/camp behaviour because that's usually just for attention and that doesn't reflect well on other gay people. Being gay and proud is about as ridiculous as being straight and proud. You like the same gender? Yay. I like pizza. Yay. I feel like attitudes like mine get misconstrued as homophobic and they're not. I just don't think sexuality is something to ashamed OR proud of. It's just a thing.
Day-to-day, I rarely hear gay people declaring how "proud" they are. So you must be referring to Gay Pride.
Firstly, not all gay people attend, or are indeed interested in, gay pride. Secondly, it's become a commercialised event which people largely attend for fun - akin to Notting Hill Carnival which was initially a response to poor race relations but is now a colourful street party.
Original post by Axiomasher
I can't help feel that this is a kind of closet-homophobia, the message is that it's OK to be gay but please don't sing and dance about it, that would be too much! It smacks of a difficult-to-maintain toleration rather than acceptance. So what if some gay people are into flamboyance and camping it up? Don't you have more pressing things to get worked up about? I'm no fan of musicals but as I don't go to them there's no problem. I'd also say that pride in being gay is not comparable to pride in being straight given that there's a pretty long and nasty history of gay people suffering prejudice and being persecuted for their sexuality.
I don't get worked up about it. What I more mean is I can see why people get annoyed about it. I also feel like people acting overly flamboyant can create a stereotype of gay people because obviously there are those who are gay and don't make a bit thing about it. If I were gay I'd be pissed off at being portrayed in that way in popular culture when I'm not.
Original post by Venomilys
Common arguments are:
-In a homosexual relationship the couples cannot reproduce, therefore it goes against human nature - by that logic asexuality is also a sin.
Common arguments are:
-In a homosexual relationship the couples cannot reproduce, therefore it goes against human nature - by that logic asexuality is also a sin.
Would someone not rationalise this by saying that both homosexuality and asexuality are sins, as they hinder procreation?
Original post by Lady Comstock
Day-to-day, I rarely hear gay people declaring how "proud" they are. So you must be referring to Gay Pride.
Firstly, not all gay people attend, or are indeed interested in, gay pride. Secondly, it's become a commercialised event which people largely attend for fun - akin to Notting Hill Carnival which was initially a response to poor race relations but is now a colourful street party.
Firstly, not all gay people attend, or are indeed interested in, gay pride. Secondly, it's become a commercialised event which people largely attend for fun - akin to Notting Hill Carnival which was initially a response to poor race relations but is now a colourful street party.
Look dude I'm not saying all gay people behave that way. I'm saying 1. I can see why people get annoyed when they act that way and 2. It's not fair that gay people are stereotyped as being overly flamboyant because some choose to be. It's exactly the same way I feel when every female including myself who defends against misogyny is called a feminazi because some people go too over the top with feminism though that's neither here nor there.
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