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I don't really 'dislike' men being effeminate but for me it's ok only in small doses. Mostly I dislike all the fuss around coming out and ooh look I'm gay etc. etc. I do not care whether you take it up the arse so stop going on about it, most people don't care what you do in bed. Why do you have to make a point you're gay anyway?
Original post by EllieC130
I just don't agree with gay people being loud and proud about it- let me finish- there's no need for overly flamboyant/camp behaviour because that's usually just for attention and that doesn't reflect well on other gay people. Being gay and proud is about as ridiculous as being straight and proud. You like the same gender? Yay. I like pizza. Yay. I feel like attitudes like mine get misconstrued as homophobic and they're not. I just don't think sexuality is something to ashamed OR proud of. It's just a thing.
This is rather irritating. In an ideal world, no one would care what sexuality people are, and therefore there would be no need for gay pride marches, the rainbow flag, etc.. The trouble is, we don't live in that world. We live in a world where, whilst many are legalising equal marriage, countries are outright banning homosexuality. Some are even going against their previous policies, such as India and Australia.
It's quite common for people to say, "Why aren't there straight pride marches?" It's the same as when people say "Why isn't there an international men's day?" It's because these groups - one of which represents half of the world - suffer from inequality, and we need to help those who are struggling with their sexuality to know that they are not alone. It may seem like we live in a far more tolerant world, but it's only mildly more so.
I know you aren't actually homophobic, but dismissing gay pride does not help those who live in areas or families which are homophobic, and need the support of a larger network of people so as to feel accepted by society. Of course, I'm making assumptions as to how the gay pride festivals are helpful as I am not gay myself, but I'd say it's a safe bet that that's why they are still commonplace.
Original post by x-pixie-x
I don't really 'dislike' men being effeminate but for me it's ok only in small doses. Mostly I dislike all the fuss around coming out and ooh look I'm gay etc. etc. I do not care whether you take it up the arse so stop going on about it, most people don't care what you do in bed. Why do you have to make a point you're gay anyway?
Out of interest, do you also dislike those "lads" who go on about their extreme masculinity and heterosexuality?
Original post by Handles
Out of interest, do you also dislike those "lads" who go on about their extreme masculinity and heterosexuality?
In what way do they do that? I don't think you can really compare the two - a male acting masculine and a male acting feminine, what do they have in common?
I don't understand the point of this thread?
Original post by Lady Comstock
Day-to-day, I rarely hear gay people declaring how "proud" they are. So you must be referring to Gay Pride.
Firstly, not all gay people attend, or are indeed interested in, gay pride. Secondly, it's become a commercialised event which people largely attend for fun - akin to Notting Hill Carnival which was initially a response to poor race relations but is now a colourful street party.
Firstly, not all gay people attend, or are indeed interested in, gay pride. Secondly, it's become a commercialised event which people largely attend for fun - akin to Notting Hill Carnival which was initially a response to poor race relations but is now a colourful street party.
I see what you did there
Original post by Divv
1. asexuals can have children and homo people no
2. if you grew up in a society where men feared the most being called gay and religion was part of your culture it is hard to just accept gays. It isnt as much against my religion as against my tradition and culture I was raised in
2. if you grew up in a society where men feared the most being called gay and religion was part of your culture it is hard to just accept gays. It isnt as much against my religion as against my tradition and culture I was raised in
1) gay people can have kids, by sleeping with the opposite gender. They're just as inclined to do so as asexuals.
2) It was pointed out the "going agaisnt the religion" isn't much of a valid reason, because it's meaningless.
I'm far from homophobic, but I just can't stand overly camp gay guys. And by overly camp, I mean the ones that are so obviously putting it on- you know, the voice, the hand flop and all those things. What's the point? What do they gain from making themselves look like idiots because it's so obviously faked? Gosh, they make me feel so uncomfortable. Tyler Oakley on Youtube is a mild example of this.
Please note that I am not talking about gay guys who are naturally camp- there's nothing wrong with that
But if somebody is fake-camp just because they're gay, then ew.
Please note that I am not talking about gay guys who are naturally camp- there's nothing wrong with that
But if somebody is fake-camp just because they're gay, then ew.Original post by MASTER265
Homosexuality within the male community is wrong on all levels, completely unnatural. Having said that lesbians are perfectly ok and the practise needs to be spread to all females
Every lesbian on the planet probably finds your opinion disgusting.
I find the over sexualisation of lesbians just as irritating as homophobia. Straight men need to learn that our relationships can be serious and aren't there for their attention.
Original post by MASTER265
Homosexuality within the male community is wrong on all levels, completely unnatural. Having said that lesbians are perfectly ok and the practise needs to be spread to all females
Original post by laurenfg95
Every lesbian on the planet probably finds your opinion disgusting.
I find the over sexualisation of lesbians just as irritating as homophobia. Straight men need to learn that our relationships can be serious and aren't there for their attention.
I find the over sexualisation of lesbians just as irritating as homophobia. Straight men need to learn that our relationships can be serious and aren't there for their attention.
Seriously, this. Well said
Original post by laurenfg95
Every lesbian on the planet probably finds your opinion disgusting.
I find the over sexualisation of lesbians just as irritating as homophobia. Straight men need to learn that our relationships can be serious and aren't there for their attention.
I find the over sexualisation of lesbians just as irritating as homophobia. Straight men need to learn that our relationships can be serious and aren't there for their attention.
Please, don't flatter yourself. Most of you look nothing like porn Lesbians who are mostly gay for pay. Most real life Lesbians I've seen look like the the back end of a bus tbh
The responses on this thread, apart from some, are actually incredibly ignorant and to be honest, a few are pretty offensive.
I'm homosexual myself and was outed in secondary school by a boy I was seeing who was openly gay. To be honest with you, I couldn't tell you enough times how unfair your comments about flamboyancy and making a point of your sexuality, really are. As someone before me, QUITE RIGHTLY said, homosexuals, bisexuals and all manners of other groups have suffered years of oppression and hatred. Matthew Shepard - a homosexual who was lured into a vehicle and then left at the road side beaten so severely that he slipped into a coma and died a matter of days later. Tina Brandon - a transexual who was raped and shot by the brothers of her partner.
History is full of homosexual intolerance and ignorance. To be frank, it astounds me how, as I believe some on this thread are, people of non-white backgrounds and who are not white can actually condone homophobia. It wasn't so long ago that your own circumstances were condemned but it's okay for homosexuals to still be ridiculed and hated. God forbid racism occurred though. I do not condone any forms of hatred at all. I have many friends who are black, white, Indian, Polish, you name it. I am just stating a fact that it's actually quite worrying that people who have felt the hatred caused by ignorance over something they had no choice over (their race/skin-colour), can willingly condone the discrimination of another minority on the same bases - something they had no control over.
For those who consider homosexuality/bisexuality/transexuality/asexuality (the list is endless now) a choice, I'm going to be VERY blunt. WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON? Why would anyone choose to belong to a minority group that suffers greatly. Yes, gay rights have progressed but it is still a huge issue. I'm not one of these over the top members of the LGBT community who have to campaign for every god-damn thing on the planet but I do feel everyone should have standard rights. For example, I don't believe in gay marriage, I think thats totally sticking the middle-finger up at the church and stamping on religious beliefs, which is likewise, not fair or right under any circumstances.
As for flamboyancy, which appears to be the big topic here, do people not have the right to act in a way that is true to themselves? Yes, some of the LGBT community undeniably exploit their orientation and feel the need to make an unnecessary statement about their sexual preferences, HOWEVER, a great deal do not. Believe me, I too can have a very short fuse when it comes to over-flamboyant behaviour but sometimes you just need to brush it off and get on with it. It's the same with anything in life. Some people are chavs, some are goths, some are 'emo's' and some are just flamboyant. You will never change these traits in people so there really is no point in trying. I think flamboyancy is annoying myself, but if that's how they choose to act and to much peoples dislike also, then so be it. I'm not doing it so why should I care.
Furthermore, I love the original statement that kickstarted this thread, "not all homosexuals engage in sodomy". No we do NOT. Damn-right. I personally have no appeal with such practices. At the end of the day, many men and women practice sodomy together and it's not so frowned upon but god forbid two men do it together. Sodomy is sodomy, no matter who partakes in it. You can't sugar-coat it and you definitely cannot have one rule for one and one for the other. Have you even actually realised that heterosexuals practise sodomy more than homosexuals? Probably not. It's just an excuse for you to fuel your hatred; that's what I personally believe. As for another common misdemeanour amongst the LGBT Community; HIV. HIV is often so commonly associated with homosexuals. Can I offer some reason into why? Because homosexual men are MEN. Men, not as a generalisation, are well-known for sleeping around, okay? Fact. And before you start jumping down my throat about this, I am not saying all men or even half of men do this but it is a common label they have themselves, assigned. That's how you contract these diseases, as you should all know. Secondly, has it ever occurred to you why gay men may feel the need to sleep around? Because they live in a hateful society that would frown on them should they decide to actually COMMIT and so, they have no other alternative. Again, this is just a theory. I'm not saying it's true but I do know for a fact that it has been the reasoning many people in the LGBT community have followed.
So, I hope you don't find my... well... ESSAY (ha) if you like, too unreasonable but I just read some of these comments and thought, "no, I'm sorry but that's just totally unreasonable".
I am open to discussion but don't bombard me with riddles such as, "so if it's wrong for this denomination is it not wrong for this one?" or, "if men are like this, then why do gays do such and such things." They're empty words and quite frankly just boring and make you look like you haven't thought anything through. I have tried to be very fair throughout. I hope my comments don't anger anyone. Anyway, as I said, I'm open to discussion on my comments but please be reasonable as I have.
I'm homosexual myself and was outed in secondary school by a boy I was seeing who was openly gay. To be honest with you, I couldn't tell you enough times how unfair your comments about flamboyancy and making a point of your sexuality, really are. As someone before me, QUITE RIGHTLY said, homosexuals, bisexuals and all manners of other groups have suffered years of oppression and hatred. Matthew Shepard - a homosexual who was lured into a vehicle and then left at the road side beaten so severely that he slipped into a coma and died a matter of days later. Tina Brandon - a transexual who was raped and shot by the brothers of her partner.
History is full of homosexual intolerance and ignorance. To be frank, it astounds me how, as I believe some on this thread are, people of non-white backgrounds and who are not white can actually condone homophobia. It wasn't so long ago that your own circumstances were condemned but it's okay for homosexuals to still be ridiculed and hated. God forbid racism occurred though. I do not condone any forms of hatred at all. I have many friends who are black, white, Indian, Polish, you name it. I am just stating a fact that it's actually quite worrying that people who have felt the hatred caused by ignorance over something they had no choice over (their race/skin-colour), can willingly condone the discrimination of another minority on the same bases - something they had no control over.
For those who consider homosexuality/bisexuality/transexuality/asexuality (the list is endless now) a choice, I'm going to be VERY blunt. WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON? Why would anyone choose to belong to a minority group that suffers greatly. Yes, gay rights have progressed but it is still a huge issue. I'm not one of these over the top members of the LGBT community who have to campaign for every god-damn thing on the planet but I do feel everyone should have standard rights. For example, I don't believe in gay marriage, I think thats totally sticking the middle-finger up at the church and stamping on religious beliefs, which is likewise, not fair or right under any circumstances.
As for flamboyancy, which appears to be the big topic here, do people not have the right to act in a way that is true to themselves? Yes, some of the LGBT community undeniably exploit their orientation and feel the need to make an unnecessary statement about their sexual preferences, HOWEVER, a great deal do not. Believe me, I too can have a very short fuse when it comes to over-flamboyant behaviour but sometimes you just need to brush it off and get on with it. It's the same with anything in life. Some people are chavs, some are goths, some are 'emo's' and some are just flamboyant. You will never change these traits in people so there really is no point in trying. I think flamboyancy is annoying myself, but if that's how they choose to act and to much peoples dislike also, then so be it. I'm not doing it so why should I care.
Furthermore, I love the original statement that kickstarted this thread, "not all homosexuals engage in sodomy". No we do NOT. Damn-right. I personally have no appeal with such practices. At the end of the day, many men and women practice sodomy together and it's not so frowned upon but god forbid two men do it together. Sodomy is sodomy, no matter who partakes in it. You can't sugar-coat it and you definitely cannot have one rule for one and one for the other. Have you even actually realised that heterosexuals practise sodomy more than homosexuals? Probably not. It's just an excuse for you to fuel your hatred; that's what I personally believe. As for another common misdemeanour amongst the LGBT Community; HIV. HIV is often so commonly associated with homosexuals. Can I offer some reason into why? Because homosexual men are MEN. Men, not as a generalisation, are well-known for sleeping around, okay? Fact. And before you start jumping down my throat about this, I am not saying all men or even half of men do this but it is a common label they have themselves, assigned. That's how you contract these diseases, as you should all know. Secondly, has it ever occurred to you why gay men may feel the need to sleep around? Because they live in a hateful society that would frown on them should they decide to actually COMMIT and so, they have no other alternative. Again, this is just a theory. I'm not saying it's true but I do know for a fact that it has been the reasoning many people in the LGBT community have followed.
So, I hope you don't find my... well... ESSAY (ha) if you like, too unreasonable but I just read some of these comments and thought, "no, I'm sorry but that's just totally unreasonable".
I am open to discussion but don't bombard me with riddles such as, "so if it's wrong for this denomination is it not wrong for this one?" or, "if men are like this, then why do gays do such and such things." They're empty words and quite frankly just boring and make you look like you haven't thought anything through. I have tried to be very fair throughout. I hope my comments don't anger anyone. Anyway, as I said, I'm open to discussion on my comments but please be reasonable as I have.
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Original post by Skip_Snip
I see what you did there
1) gay people can have kids, by sleeping with the opposite gender. They're just as inclined to do so as asexuals.
2) It was pointed out the "going agaisnt the religion" isn't much of a valid reason, because it's meaningless.
1) gay people can have kids, by sleeping with the opposite gender. They're just as inclined to do so as asexuals.
2) It was pointed out the "going agaisnt the religion" isn't much of a valid reason, because it's meaningless.
1. by sleeping with other gender they arent gay anymore. And if they do that, its not a child of gay people but of a hetero couple.
2) thats why I said it is against culture, not religion
Original post by Divv
1. by sleeping with other gender they arent gay anymore. And if they do that, its not a child of gay people but of a hetero couple.
2) thats why I said it is against culture, not religion
2) thats why I said it is against culture, not religion
I'm sorry but you are so uneducated. Homosexual describes same sex ATTRACTION not who you have sex with. That also does not make a heterosexual couple. Wow, why have an opinion if you have no proper foundations for one and to be honest, if you don't even understand the topic. It's so aggravating.
homosexual |ˌhɒmə(ʊ)ˈsɛkʃʊəl, ˌhəʊm-, -sjʊəl| adjectivesexually attracted to people of one's own sex.
(edited 10 years ago)
Original post by Divv
1. by sleeping with other gender they arent gay anymore
Poor effort mate.
Original post by JayJay-C19
I'm sorry but you are so uneducated. Homosexual describes same sex ATTRACTION not who you have sex with. That also does not make a heterosexual couple. Wow, why have an opinion if you have no proper foundations for one and to be honest, if you don't even understand the topic. It's so aggravating.
oh really? Then why homosexuals arent in a hetero realationship if they dont mind sex with them? From all gay people I know, women (or men if thats the case) disgust them and they so much prefer a dick (or vagina) than other thing.
Stop being agressive towards me
Original post by Plainview
Poor effort mate.
well whats the point in being gay if you like sex with woman (or man if thats the case)? If you have sex with someone, you also find them attractive and if you find people of other gender attractive then you arent gay anymore -you are bisexual
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