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Telling kids to "follow their passion" and "do what they love" is horrendous advice

Essentially a lie perpetuated by certain individuals in privileged first world countries, which ultimately misleads the youth into thinking that there exists a job out there, perfectly tailored to whatever irrelevant and useless "passion" they may have. Only those people who have had to struggle to simply make ends meet and would have gladly accepted any work as long as it meant they could provide for themselves and those closest to them, would truly understand how bull**** and dangerous this kind of thinking is.

The hard truth must set in, the fact that the job market is cut-throat and ruthless as it is, and that no one is going to pay you money to do something that you "love" because what you "love" doesn't benefit anyone and simply won't take you or anyone else, anywhere of use.

Our jobs are a means to an end, a means to live comfortably and provide for yourself and family. Now am I saying you should go into something you despise, just for the money? Not at all, you must at least find some interest in a field relating to your personal skills and attributes. And the majority of people should, with a little insight, be able to find a stable and well compensated job that they at least have some interest in, and won't despise doing for the rest of their life. You may very well learn to highly enjoy it, and the experiences you gain from it. And worst case, you can quit it and look for other work, if you really do end up hating it. But stop spending your days blindly looking for a job that doesn't exist, because it achieves nothing.

That "passion" of yours, should be nothing more than a hobby. Something you look forward to doing in your personal time, whatever it may be, just for your own enjoyment and fulfillment and not for monetary value. This is the real world, and your paycheck comes from diligent hard work in a profession that is valued and required by society, and your aim should be to succeed in that regard to the highest extent. You make your own happiness

Thoughts?
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Original post by bertstare
Essentially a lie perpetuated by certain individuals in privileged first world countries,


We need more of this. The world had to sacrifice so many talents just cos humans were busy making ends meet. Imagine the greatest scientist ever born in Africa but couldn't make it cos he/she had to worry about life and got no chance to education. Imagine all the Mozarts, Picasso we are losing each day because those couldn't get their talents blossomed due to hard world we live in.
I get what you're saying but at the same time you need these kind of people. After all, where would all the sport stars, musicians, artists and actors come from if they all give up their passion for a nice steady job at the post office?
But I have more than one love. If I did pharmacy as a hobby I'd be arrested, so why not study something I love doing, and do things I love as hobbies as well?
This is a thinly veiled Arts Vs STEM thread. Liberal arts students have always ended up working in Costa Coffee. STEM graduates are always employable. In the UK and elsewhere and indeed we should encourage students to pursue them.
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Whilst I don't necessarily agree that you shouldn't try and follow your passion, at least to some extent, I do think that parents could be much more clued up about the state of employment in this country.
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Original post by aspirinpharmacist
But I have more than one love. If I did pharmacy as a hobby I'd be arrested, so why not study something I love doing, and do things I love as hobbies as well?


If pharmacy is genuinely your life passion then great, because there's job stability and a good salary, potential for business, etc there. You just killed two birds with one drug overdose

Original post by Jordooooom
I get what you're saying but at the same time you need these kind of people. After all, where would all the sport stars, musicians, artists and actors come from if they all give up their passion for a nice steady job at the post office?


Most people like that are naturally incredibly talented, and their passion was taking them places way before they even needed to think about how to make ends meet. For the average person with a passion in something, this is not the case, and nothing more than mere fantasy

Original post by Asian Skin
This is a thinly veiled Arts Vs STEM thread. Liberal arts students have always ended up working in Costa Coffee. STEM graduates are always employable. In the UK and elsewhere and indeed we should encourage students to pursue them.


Strong ethnicity to career choice ratio
Original post by bertstare
If pharmacy is genuinely your life passion then great, because there's job stability and a good salary, potential for business, etc there. You just killed two birds with one drug overdose



Most people like that are naturally incredibly talented, and their passion was taking them places way before they even needed to think about how to make ends meet. For the average person with a passion in something, this is not the case, and nothing more than mere fantasy



Strong ethnicity to career choice ratio


Like I said, I'm passionate about a few things, pharmacy was the only passion that I can't do as a hobby so that made choosing a career very easy. But I do love it, although it's stressful at times, but everything is.
Original post by bertstare

Most people like that are naturally incredibly talented, and their passion was taking them places way before they even needed to think about how to make ends meet. For the average person with a passion in something, this is not the case, and nothing more than mere


Yes but at the same time many skills require hours and hours of practice in order to be truly successful in. Something which isn't possible if you're preoccupied with studies or work.
I think your OP sounds pretty cynical.

I'll tell my kids to follow their passions and to try to always do what they love. I'm sure they'll still grow up well-rounded enough to know that that may not be absolutely possible in the end, but it'll still be worth trying.

I certainly won't be impressing upon them that they need to grow up and move into a traditional 9-6 job, making money for somebody else, wasting their life away just to cover the bills.
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Original post by bertstare
Essentially a lie perpetuated by certain individuals in privileged first world countries, which ultimately misleads the youth into thinking that there exists a job out there, perfectly tailored to whatever irrelevant and useless "passion" they may have. Only those people who have had to struggle to simply make ends meet and would have gladly accepted any work as long as it meant they could provide for themselves and those closest to them, would truly understand how bull**** and dangerous this kind of thinking is.

The hard truth must set in, the fact that the job market is cut-throat and ruthless as it is, and that no one is going to pay you money to do something that you "love" because what you "love" doesn't benefit anyone and simply won't take you or anyone else, anywhere of use.

Our jobs are a means to an end, a means to live comfortably and provide for yourself and family. Now am I saying you should go into something you despise, just for the money? Not at all, you must at least find some interest in a field relating to your personal skills and attributes. And the majority of people should, with a little insight, be able to find a stable and well compensated job that they at least have some interest in, and won't despise doing for the rest of their life. You may very well learn to highly enjoy it, and the experiences you gain from it. And worst case, you can quit it and look for other work, if you really do end up hating it. But stop spending your days blindly looking for a job that doesn't exist, because it achieves nothing.

That "passion" of yours, should be nothing more than a hobby. Something you look forward to doing in your personal time, whatever it may be, just for your own enjoyment and fulfillment and not for monetary value. This is the real world, and your paycheck comes from diligent hard work in a profession that is valued and required by society, and your aim should be to succeed in that regard to the highest extent. You make your own happiness

Thoughts?


That's it we'll create a population of 9-5 "drones" and produce nothing of cultural significance.
Original post by Asian Skin
This is a thinly veiled Arts Vs STEM thread. Liberal arts students have always ended up working in Costa Coffee. STEM graduates are always employable. In the UK and elsewhere and indeed we should encourage students to pursue them.


The arts v STEM debate is a bit boring now I think!
And I'm doing a STEM degree because it's what I really want to do, it's my 'passion', absolutely not because it may get me a good job.
There are plenty of amazing jobs available to you, provided that you're really good at the ~passion~ in question.
e.g. Call of Duty -> YouTube partner.

It's about deciding whether or not you're naturally good enough to rise above the competition.
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Original post by e aí rapaz
I think your OP sounds pretty cynical.

I'll tell my kids to follow their passions and to try to always do what they love. I'm sure they'll still grow up well-rounded enough to know that that may not be absolutely possible in the end, but it'll still be worth trying.

I certainly won't be impressing upon them that they need to grow up and move into a traditional 9-6 job, making money for somebody else, wasting their life away just to cover the bills.

This. Enjoy being a corporate drone if you want, that's not for me and I certainly won't be telling my children to be one
Original post by dire wolf
There are plenty of amazing jobs available to you, provided that you're really good at the ~passion~ in question.
e.g. Call of Duty -> YouTube partner.

It's about deciding whether or not you're naturally good enough to rise above the competition.

Exactly. Just requires a bit of thought and enterprising to turn your hobby into money
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Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
This. Enjoy being a corporate drone if you want, that's not for me and I certainly won't be telling my children to be one


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Original post by DurhamXI
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Are you taking the piss? :lol:
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Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
Are you taking the piss? :lol:


I'm dead serious! :smile: Was talking about this on my own thread earlier.
Original post by DurhamXI
I'm dead serious! Was talking about this on my own thread earlier.


Haha fair enough :biggrin: glad to see some people agree
Reply 19
Pretty much agree with OP. The reason for encouraging people to follow their passion as nobel as it is, is frankly refusing to live in reality and ignore all the evidence out there. It's pretty ridiculous and disingenuous to encourage the average person to follow their passion and expect them to make a good contribution to their society and not end up on the dole. It's quite cute actually.

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