The 19 year old pedophile who has never gone near a child- Interesting podcast
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Original post by the mezzil
It's hard to understand that these sort of people exist.
Some girls like girls.
Some guys like guys.
Sometimes you like girls AND boys.
Some young girls like older men.
Some older men like younger women.
Some young boys like older women.
Some older women like young boys.
Some adults like children. All they are are just children, predeveloped adults.
You CANNOT help who you're attracted to. You don't have to declare it because of the stress it would put the child under if an older person said they liked them, especially as they're too young or immature to understand and have feelings back. It has to be consensual.
Anyway, why do you care about how people feel DEEP DOWN but won't act on their feelings?
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Original post by RandZul'Zorander
Right...so the attraction isn't what we are attempting to control or what is wrong. Just the behavior.
Original post by The pencil one
Just because the norm is to be attracted to those your age, it doesn't mean it's wrong to be attracted to children
Like PC said, you can't control attraction, it just happens. There's no on off button
Like PC said, you can't control attraction, it just happens. There's no on off button
Correct.
Original post by Ripper-Roo
You are so backward it's unbelievable.
Some girls like girls.
Some guys like guys.
Sometimes you like girls AND boys.
Some young girls like older men.
Some older men like younger women.
Some young boys like older women.
Some older women like young boys.
Some adults like children. All they are are just children, predeveloped adults.
You CANNOT help who you're attracted to. You don't have to declare it because of the stress it would put the child under if an older person said they liked them, especially as they're too young or immature to understand and have feelings back. It has to be consensual.
Anyway, why do you care about how people feel DEEP DOWN but won't act on their feelings?
Some girls like girls.
Some guys like guys.
Sometimes you like girls AND boys.
Some young girls like older men.
Some older men like younger women.
Some young boys like older women.
Some older women like young boys.
Some adults like children. All they are are just children, predeveloped adults.
You CANNOT help who you're attracted to. You don't have to declare it because of the stress it would put the child under if an older person said they liked them, especially as they're too young or immature to understand and have feelings back. It has to be consensual.
Anyway, why do you care about how people feel DEEP DOWN but won't act on their feelings?
You have misunderstood the meaning. It is hard to understand that these sort of people exist, as in the fact that they are not common in society. I personally have not come across a paedophile who has never actually acted upon his urges, but I have met Paedophiles who have. That is why it is "difficult" to understand, since I have not met such a person. I never said what somebody should and should not be attracted too, nor did I judge them/ the guy in the podcast.
And I care because I am a human, and have what is called "emotions". Strange right?
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Original post by the mezzil
Correct.
You have misunderstood the meaning. It is hard to understand that these sort of people exist, as in the fact that they are not common in society. I personally have not come across a paedophile who has never actually acted upon his urges, but I have met Paedophiles who have. That is why it is "difficult" to understand, since I have not met such a person. I never said what somebody should and should not be attracted too, nor did I judge them.
You have misunderstood the meaning. It is hard to understand that these sort of people exist, as in the fact that they are not common in society. I personally have not come across a paedophile who has never actually acted upon his urges, but I have met Paedophiles who have. That is why it is "difficult" to understand, since I have not met such a person. I never said what somebody should and should not be attracted too, nor did I judge them.
Just because you don't see things happen it doesn't mean that they don't happen. I haven't met anyone who is attracted to children but doesn't act upon it, it doesn't mean I think they don't exist
Original post by the mezzil
You have misunderstood the meaning. It is hard to understand that these sort of people exist, as in the fact that they are not common in society. I personally have not come across a paedophile who has never actually acted upon his urges, but I have met Paedophiles who have. That is why it is "difficult" to understand, since I have not met such a person. I never said what somebody should and should not be attracted too, nor did I judge them/ the guy in the podcast.
You have misunderstood the meaning. It is hard to understand that these sort of people exist, as in the fact that they are not common in society. I personally have not come across a paedophile who has never actually acted upon his urges, but I have met Paedophiles who have. That is why it is "difficult" to understand, since I have not met such a person. I never said what somebody should and should not be attracted too, nor did I judge them/ the guy in the podcast.
You very well may have. They just may not have told you about said urge. Wth all the stigma associated with those feelings I doubt very many people are willing to admit having those feelings to even their closest friends and relatives.
Original post by Ripper-Roo
Just because you don't see things happen it doesn't mean that they don't happen. I haven't met anyone who is attracted to children but doesn't act upon it, it doesn't mean I think they don't exist
Which is what I just said...
Original post by the mezzil
Which is what I just said...
You said it's "hard to believe"
Original post by RandZul'Zorander
You very well may have. They just may not have told you about said urge. Wth all the stigma associated with those feelings I doubt very many people are willing to admit having those feelings to even their closest friends and relatives.
Strangely, I don't think I have a problem with such a person if they did. As long as they did not act upon it. For me, it is more of an attitude of indifference, rather than "ew that is weird".
Original post by Ripper-Roo
You said it's "hard to believe"
Correct? Go on..
Original post by the mezzil
Correct? Go on..
Meaning you're shocked by it, you should be a bit more open minded and not everyone lives up to your world view on being attracted to people of the same age
Before people would have said the same thing about gays
Original post by the mezzil
Strangely, I don't think I have a problem with such a person if they did. As long as they did not act upon it. For me, it is more of an attitude of indifference, rather than "ew that is weird".
You may feel that way, but unless you are actively telling people this they aren't going to know that. And what most people feel, as evidenced by many responses on this thread and others, is that even the desire is bad and are not accepting of that even if no action is taken from it. So its hardly surprising that you don't know anybody who has admitted to having feelings and not acting on them.
Original post by Ripper-Roo
Meaning you're shocked by it, you should be a bit more open minded and not everyone lives up to your world view on being attracted to people of the same age
Before people would have said the same thing about gays
Before people would have said the same thing about gays
I know it exists, I made the statement it is hard to believe it exist. Just like I know people are attracted to animals, I just find it hard to believe. I never said it does not exist, nor did I say attraction to such an entity is a negative thing.
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Original post by the mezzil
I know it exists, I made the statement it is hard to exist. Just like I know people are attracted to animals, I just find it hard to believe. I never said it does not exist, nor did I say attraction to such an entity is a negative thing.
How is it hard to exist?
Original post by RandZul'Zorander
You may feel that way, but unless you are actively telling people this they aren't going to know that. And what most people feel, as evidenced by many responses on this thread and others, is that even the desire is bad and are not accepting of that even if no action is taken from it. So its hardly surprising that you don't know anybody who has admitted to having feelings and not acting on them.
I'm not going to go around to my friends and go "Aup you can tell me now, I don't care that you may fancy kids".
I have not said the desire is bad? I am indifferent to it, but obviously opposed to it if they acted upon it. I don't actually care.
Some people have not thought or been taught about what attraction is, so who can blame them for taking a hostile view? It is not one a share however.
Original post by Ripper-Roo
How is it hard to exist?
Hard to believe it exists. I have re edited it.
I haven't read all of this thread, but I've seen what I believe to be some very silly viewpoints.
1) "Having sexual urges towards children is immoral even if they are not acted upon."
Surely morality is rooted in intention and conscious decisions? For example, if I accidentally knock over my mother's favourite ornament and upset her, I am not guilty of doing anything morally wrong because I didn't intend to knock over the vase. If I intentionally knock over the vase, knowing that I will upset my mother by doing so, then I am guilty of doing something wrong because it was my intention to upset my mother. A paedophile doesn't intend to have sexual thoughts towards children; it's something over which they have no control. It is analogous to any other sexual orientation - homosexuality, bisexuality, heterosexuality, etc. Of course, I'm using my own interpretation of morality here, but I'd be interested in hearing the opinions of anybody who disagrees with my interpretation of the above scenario and the reasoning behind that.
2) "Paedophilia is not analogous to homosexuality."
Of course it is. Both are sexual preferences towards a particular group and are beyond the control of the person experiencing them. The strong emotional reactions incited at the mention of the work "paedophile" is a subjective, socially-ingrained response which has no bearing on how 'right' or 'wrong' something is. I'm sure people had similar emotional responses to homosexuality back when homosexuals were criminalised.
3) "Paedophiles who choose not to act on their urges are just as bad as those who do."
How on earth is this the case? Paedophiles who choose not to act on their urges because they recognise the repercussions of doing so with regards to the psychological health of the child involved are showing moral and character strength in resisting their urges, whereas paedophiles who choose to act on their urges do so with the knowledge that they will be causing harm to the child involved. Neither has any control over their sexual urges, so they are excepted from moral consideration. Surely it is only the intention behind one's conscious actions that should be considered in moral discussions?
1) "Having sexual urges towards children is immoral even if they are not acted upon."
Surely morality is rooted in intention and conscious decisions? For example, if I accidentally knock over my mother's favourite ornament and upset her, I am not guilty of doing anything morally wrong because I didn't intend to knock over the vase. If I intentionally knock over the vase, knowing that I will upset my mother by doing so, then I am guilty of doing something wrong because it was my intention to upset my mother. A paedophile doesn't intend to have sexual thoughts towards children; it's something over which they have no control. It is analogous to any other sexual orientation - homosexuality, bisexuality, heterosexuality, etc. Of course, I'm using my own interpretation of morality here, but I'd be interested in hearing the opinions of anybody who disagrees with my interpretation of the above scenario and the reasoning behind that.
2) "Paedophilia is not analogous to homosexuality."
Of course it is. Both are sexual preferences towards a particular group and are beyond the control of the person experiencing them. The strong emotional reactions incited at the mention of the work "paedophile" is a subjective, socially-ingrained response which has no bearing on how 'right' or 'wrong' something is. I'm sure people had similar emotional responses to homosexuality back when homosexuals were criminalised.
3) "Paedophiles who choose not to act on their urges are just as bad as those who do."
How on earth is this the case? Paedophiles who choose not to act on their urges because they recognise the repercussions of doing so with regards to the psychological health of the child involved are showing moral and character strength in resisting their urges, whereas paedophiles who choose to act on their urges do so with the knowledge that they will be causing harm to the child involved. Neither has any control over their sexual urges, so they are excepted from moral consideration. Surely it is only the intention behind one's conscious actions that should be considered in moral discussions?
Original post by the mezzil
I'm not going to go around to my friends and go "Aup you can tell me now, I don't care that you may fancy kids".
I have not said the desire is bad? I am indifferent to it, but obviously opposed to it if they acted upon it. I don't actually care.
Some people have not thought or been taught about what attraction is, so who can blame them for taking a hostile view? It is not one a share however.
I have not said the desire is bad? I am indifferent to it, but obviously opposed to it if they acted upon it. I don't actually care.
Some people have not thought or been taught about what attraction is, so who can blame them for taking a hostile view? It is not one a share however.
....Right. I think you're missing my point? I didn't say anything about your personal views. I merely am pointing out that just because nobody has come to you and said that they have attractions to children but don't act on them or wish to act on them that it is hardly justification to think its rare.
Original post by RandZul'Zorander
....Right. I think you're missing my point? I didn't say anything about your personal views. I merely am pointing out that just because nobody has come to you and said that they have attractions to children but don't act on them or wish to act on them that it is hardly justification to think its rare.
Beliefs don't need a logical justification. It is purely an emotional response. I know they exist when thinking about it rationally, but on a purely emotional basis it is hard to believe.
Original post by the mezzil
Beliefs don't need a logical justification. It is purely an emotional response. I know they exist when thinking about it rationally, but on a purely emotional basis it is hard to believe.
Beliefs are purely emotional?
Not in the slightest. You can say that you can hold a belief regardless of it being logically justifiable. But arguably since there is no logical justification you shouldn't hold such a belief. And how is it hard to believe on a purely emotional basis?
Original post by RandZul'Zorander
Beliefs are purely emotional? Not in the slightest. You can say that you can hold a belief regardless of it being logically justifiable. But arguably since there is no logical justification you shouldn't hold such a belief.
And how is it hard to believe on a purely emotional basis?
Not in the slightest. You can say that you can hold a belief regardless of it being logically justifiable. But arguably since there is no logical justification you shouldn't hold such a belief. And how is it hard to believe on a purely emotional basis?
What is your exact problem here?
I said it is hard to believe, although I know it does exists. Do you just want me to build a time machine and go back 30 minutes in time and tell myself that it is wrong to hold beliefs? There is no rational reason to hold a belief without evidence. I think I have made that very clear already.
It's like how I find it hard to believe that people believe in God, although I know there are people out there who do. I have not said anything in a negative or a derogatory way.
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