My view on obesity.

you can still eat carbs, just make sure you're at a calorie deficit

The healthy food and being wealthy is a load of nonsense. Buying lunch from the chip shop costs £2 minimum and that doesn't even fill you up. A bag of large crisp won't fill you up and that costs 1.50.

Now if somebody just bought a large pack of oats to cook, or bought some healthy beans. You're talking about 60p a meal.

How much does it cost to go for a run or a cycle if you have a bike already? If you don't have a bike then you can run.

At this stage it's pretty hard because getting on a calorie deficit involves quite a bit of exercise. I want to get rid of carbs like rice as it will lower the calories down.

Although if I do more exercise I guess it'll make up for it.

It's not "a load of nonsense", it's a matter of fact that there is an incredibly strong link between poverty and obesity. Now you are very welcome to deny this evidence but that's your problem, not mine. You appear to be completely clueless and impartial to the kind of lives people in actual poverty have to go through. Here's an article you might be able to understand. I hope the truth isn't too left wing for you.

Yes eating fatty and sugary and salty food is bad. Yes smoking is bad. Yet we do it. I mainly eat crap as I can't cook.

How about in africa where the people there are clearly thinner.

Yeah the people are all fat there right? That's poverty ffs not this oh I'm too poor so I gotta eat baked beans, chips, burgers and anything fried.

All those homeless people in England are fatsos too.

These are facts.

Then learn, it's not hard to boil pasta. It's not hard to make stew, it's not hard to make a salad.

I just see excuses.

I was going to continue this conversation until I read the bolded text. Seriously.

Not an excuse. I do really need to learn though, you're right about that !

That's related to athletes. Not your average Joe.

That's the point. IF isn't a faddy 'diet.'

Your claim that genetics have not been shown to be a major influence on obesity is wrong. Named genetic disorders might not be a major influence. That doesn't mean genetics isn't. It's a similar things to alcoholism or drug addiction. Addicts very rarely have actual genetic disorders which mean they're extremely likely to be addicts, but most have a genetic predisposition to be more likely to be addicts.

People have to eat (or rather overeat) to become obese. Being predisposed to being obese is useless if you don't have the resources to do so and that shows how environmental factors are the major influence, and how you have once again overestimated the impact of genetics. I have not denied that there are those who are predisposed to becoming obese, which has been made clear in my posts, but consider this: if it was genetic, then why is obesity on the rise? As shown here (http://www.noo.org.uk/NOO_about_obesity/trends), prevalence of adult obesity within the US and England have been rising dramatically. Even back in the early 1900s, obesity in the UK was rare. It should also be noted from the graph that Japan has shown very little changes, but obesity of the Japanese in diaspora (i.e in the US) have shown to be much higher than their domestic counterparts. This is a significant indicator that obesity is influenced mostly by the environment as opposed to genetics. You seem to have a strong view on the impact of genetics on obesity, I'm interested to know why.

I see a point made above about obesity being linked to poverty.

It is not linked to poverty; it is linked to the piss-poor education that most people receive regarding food and its preparation.

You cannot tell me that it is cheaper to buy something form the chip shop or a fast-food chain, when you can buy low-carb, lean, high protein foods for such little money. What is boils down to is the fact that the parents of these poor, poor little children that I see walking around -- morbidly obese at the age of 10 or 11 -- cannot cook because they neither have the resources or the knowledge to prepare healthy food.

This extends to University, also. I know several dozens of people from a background I would call 'deprived' who just spend the entirety of their grants and bursaries either on alcohol or rubbish. While it sickens me to think that they are able to do this, it again boils down to education.

This will not change until the government or health authorities actually try to educate the masses on how to cook or prepare healthy food.

On the other hand, there are those fat ****s who just eat because they don't care about their bodies and for these people I neither have time nor sympathy. I am not trying to defend with my words above, either, because there is no excuse for anyone being obese or overweight in this day and age, but sometimes it is not the obese person who is to blame, or at least I don't think so, anyway.

...It is not linked to poverty...I know several dozens of people from a background I would call 'deprived' who just spend the entirety of their grants and bursaries either on alcohol or rubbish...

The thing is, people don't like facts, they don't like the truth. They would much rather say "I have a slow metabolism" and pig out every day. It's laziness to go to the gym, it's easy/cheap food options which make their lifestyle.

People say that "diets don't work" , they want an overnight fix and get annoyed and give up if they haven't lost a stone by the end of the week, even though this is years and years of unhealthy food.

Those who are drug addicts, smokers, alcoholics etc seem to get a worse time because it's seen as rude to openly berate an obese person. They will say "urgggh...smoking is disgusting! Do you know what you're doing to yourself?" and then say absolutely nothing when the fat person at the table orders dessert.