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Maclaurin expand

Expanding ln(1+2x)^3 / (1+x) up to x^3 term

I got 8x^3 / 1+x is this correct?

THanks!
Reply 1
Original post by Zenarthra
Expanding ln(1+2x)^3 / (1+x) up to x^3 term

I got 8x^3 / 1+x is this correct?

THanks!


I do not think so

for f(x)=ln(1+2x)31+x\displaystyle f(x)=\frac{ln (1+2x)^3}{1+x}

I got 6x15x2+26x3 6x-15x^2+26x^3

and for f(x)=ln(1+2x)31+x\displaystyle f(x)=ln \frac{(1+2x)^3}{1+x}

I got 2x112x2+233x3 2x-\frac{11}{2}x^2+\frac{23}{3}x^3
(edited 9 years ago)
Reply 2
Original post by ztibor
I do not think so

for f(x)=ln(1+2x)31+x\displaystyle f(x)=\frac{ln (1+2x)^3}{1+x}

I got 6x15x2+26x3 6x-15x^2+26x^3

and for f(x)=ln(1+2x)31+x\displaystyle f(x)=ln \frac{(1+2x)^3}{1+x}

I got 2x112x2+233x3 2x-\frac{11}{2}x^2+\frac{23}{3}x^3


I only did the 1st series, but got 6x-12x^2+20x^3
Reply 3
Original post by Zenarthra
Expanding ln(1+2x)^3 / (1+x) up to x^3 term

I got 8x^3 / 1+x is this correct?

THanks!


You're looking for a series of the form

A+Bx+Cx2+Dx3A + Bx + Cx^2 + Dx^3

- you shouldn't have any divisions left over at the end!
Reply 4
Original post by davros
You're looking for a series of the form

A+Bx+Cx2+Dx3A + Bx + Cx^2 + Dx^3

- you shouldn't have any divisions left over at the end!



Original post by Zenarthra
Expanding ln(1+2x)^3 / (1+x) up to x^3 term

I got 8x^3 / 1+x is this correct?

THanks!


now, that i think about it, you just kind of simplified your expression in the limit as x goes to infinity, but even then it would rather be 8x^2, not what you said, you only simplified the top of the expression
(edited 9 years ago)
Reply 5
Original post by ztibor
I do not think so

for f(x)=ln(1+2x)31+x\displaystyle f(x)=\frac{ln (1+2x)^3}{1+x}

I got 6x15x2+26x3 6x-15x^2+26x^3

and for f(x)=ln(1+2x)31+x\displaystyle f(x)=ln \frac{(1+2x)^3}{1+x}

I got 2x112x2+233x3 2x-\frac{11}{2}x^2+\frac{23}{3}x^3


Original post by benji385
I only did the 1st series, but got 6x-12x^2+20x^3


Original post by davros
You're looking for a series of the form

A+Bx+Cx2+Dx3A + Bx + Cx^2 + Dx^3

- you shouldn't have any divisions left over at the end!


Original post by benji385
now, that i think about it, you just kind of simplified your expression in the limit as x goes to infinity, but even then it would rather be 8x^2, not what you said, you only simplified the top of the expression


For this, i must use the formula to expand?
Is there not a shortcut i could use?
Like substitution of 2x?
Reply 6
Original post by Zenarthra
For this, i must use the formula to expand?
Is there not a shortcut i could use?
Like substitution of 2x?


When you say formula I guess you mean differentiating the function a few times and sub in 0, that how you get the coefficients in front of the different powers of x in the series. Thats how Ive done mine anyway.
How would you use the 2x substitution, I've never heard of that method.
Maybe just tell us how you arrived at your solution and then we can explain what went wrong.
Mr M
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With questions like this for A-level, is it expected to solve them as a Maclaurin expansion (i.e. find f(0), f'(0), f''(0), etc) or is "any method that gets a valid power series" OK?

[Here I would use standard expansions and multiply out[.
Original post by DFranklin
With questions like this for A-level, is it expected to solve them as a Maclaurin expansion (i.e. find f(0), f'(0), f''(0), etc) or is "any method that gets a valid power series" OK?

[Here I would use standard expansions and multiply out[.


Either method is fine.
Reply 9
Original post by Zenarthra
For this, i must use the formula to expand?
Is there not a shortcut i could use?
Like substitution of 2x?


It might help for a start if you clarified what your function actually is!

Is it

ln[(1+2x)31+x]\displaystyle ln[\dfrac{(1+2x)^3}{1+x}]

or

Unparseable latex formula:

\diplaystyle \dfrac{ln((1+2x)^3)}{1+x}

Reply 10
Original post by benji385
When you say formula I guess you mean differentiating the function a few times and sub in 0, that how you get the coefficients in front of the different powers of x in the series. Thats how Ive done mine anyway.
How would you use the 2x substitution, I've never heard of that method.
Maybe just tell us how you arrived at your solution and then we can explain what went wrong.




Wolfram calculator gives something different.


3ln(1+2x) / (1+x) gives 3((2x)-(2x)^2 / 2 + (2x)^3 / 3) / 1+x?
(edited 9 years ago)
Reply 11
Original post by davros
It might help for a start if you clarified what your function actually is!

Is it

ln[(1+2x)31+x]\displaystyle ln[\dfrac{(1+2x)^3}{1+x}]

or

Unparseable latex formula:

\diplaystyle \dfrac{ln((1+2x)^3)}{1+x}



Second one, is what i wrote correct?
In last post.

Thanks.
Reply 12
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(edited 9 years ago)
Reply 13
Original post by DFranklin
With questions like this for A-level, is it expected to solve them as a Maclaurin expansion (i.e. find f(0), f'(0), f''(0), etc) or is "any method that gets a valid power series" OK?

[Here I would use standard expansions and multiply out[.


Could i just ask, how wold you use standard expressions here?

Thanks!
Reply 14
Original post by Zenarthra
Could i just ask, how wold you use standard expressions here?

Thanks!


You know the standard power series for ln(1 + A) and 1/(1 + y) for appropriate values of A and y so you can just multiply the power series and collect the terms you need BUT check on the ranges of convergence of each series to get the overall range of convergence.
Reply 15
Original post by davros
You know the standard power series for ln(1 + A) and 1/(1 + y) for appropriate values of A and y so you can just multiply the power series and collect the terms you need BUT check on the ranges of convergence of each series to get the overall range of convergence.


AHh right yeah, thanks!

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