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Racial Quotas

Do racial quotas exist in this country? I know they exist in the USA, but that's because Non-Hispanic Whites are only 60% there and African-Americans, Hispanics and other minorities constitute nearly 40% of the USA and so they have to represented fairly in society. However, in the UK, 90% of people are White and 80% are White British and it seems that non-White-British people are represented fairly, according to the media. So, do we have racial quotas and do we need racial quotas in this country?
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They do in the bbc.
Last time I watched newsround, the kids show, you could literally go a couple of weeks without seeing a white face presenting it.
They also have gender quotas. Watch bbc 1 in the morning and women presenters regularly outnumber men by 6 to 1.
They have just started gender quotas for comedians on panel shows. Thinking about it though, they would be hard pushed to find enough decent ethnic comedians for racial quotas on the same shows.
We definitely have quotas for race and sex. As caravaggio2 said, gender quotas can be seen on comedy panel shows like Nine Out of Ten Cats where random women like Rebecca Addlington and Kate Humble appear, despite having no remote background in comedy and being totally unfunny. I certainly think there is a race quota as well. Advertising is a huge example where you'll rarely see only white British individuals. Please note this is an observation, not a criticism. The workplace pensions advert is possibly my favourite example because it shows just how much racial and sexual diversity the Gov. has strained to get in. :tongue: And that diversity is no coincidence.

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The public sector has all kinds of gender and racial quotas however much of society does not.

I would be heavily against racial quotas, i believe in meritocracy.
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Original post by asmuse123
Do racial quotas exist in this country? I know they exist in the USA, but that's because Non-Hispanic Whites are only 60% there and African-Americans, Hispanics and other minorities constitute nearly 40% of the USA and so they have to represented fairly in society. However, in the UK, 90% of people are White and 80% are White British and it seems that non-White-British people are represented fairly, according to the media. So, do we have racial quotas and do we need racial quotas in this country?


What about having racial quota in immigration to protect the white race and discussing the racial impact when the government provides net migration statistics?


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Original post by Blinka
What about having racial quota in immigration to protect the white race and discussing the racial impact when the government provides net migration statistics?


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What does the White race need to be protected from?
Original post by asmuse123
What does the White race need to be protected from?


From me mo'****er. ah be like Godzilla up in dis here beotch otay buh-weet
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Original post by asmuse123
What does the White race need to be protected from?


Becoming a minority group in Europe.


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Quotas, be there based on race, gender, sexuality etc, are discriminatory, patronising and simply idiotic.
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Becoming a minority group in Europe.


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Why would they become a minority group in Europe?
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Original post by asmuse123
Why would they become a minority group in Europe?


With current demographic trends we are already set to become a minority in the 21st century throughout Europe In the same way that white British are less than 50% in London. The reasons are mass immigration, high birth rates amongst non-whites and low birth rates amongst whites.


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Original post by Blinka
With current demographic trends we are already set to become a minority in the 21st century throughout Europe In the same way that white British are less than 50% in London. The reasons are mass immigration, high birth rates amongst non-whites and low birth rates amongst whites.


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What do you propose should happen? Remember, you can't force women to have children and we need population growth to keep the economy going.
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Original post by asmuse123
What do you propose should happen? Remember, you can't force women to have children and we need population growth to keep the economy going.


Racial quotas on immigration, drive up the quality of the ethic indigenous population by giving a subsidy for them to have children and live good working lifestyles as opposed to benefits, end all diversity / equality / affirmative action schemes, review all immigration and marriages from last 30 years and reverse all of the fraud. Stop the fact that one in 5 marriages in London are sham marriages. Deport all illegals immigrants. Start training courses to change the attitudes of teachers, civil servants and journalists.


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Original post by Blinka
Racial quotas on immigration, drive up the quality of the ethic indigenous population by giving a subsidy for them to have children and live good working lifestyles as opposed to benefits, end all diversity / equality / affirmative action schemes, review all immigration and marriages from last 30 years and reverse all of the fraud. Stop the fact that one in 5 marriages in London are sham marriages. Deport all illegals immigrants. Start training courses to change the attitudes of teachers, civil servants and journalists.


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Which races would allowed in?
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Original post by asmuse123
Which races would allowed in?


9 whites to 1 non-White defined as people of original European ethnic descent e.g. Australians, New Zealanders, Canandians. The target ratio in European countries should be 90% white Europeans. It should be official policy to have this as a stated target.




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Original post by Blinka
9 whites to 1 non-White defined as people of original European ethnic descent e.g. Australians, New Zealanders, Canandians. The target ratio in European countries should be 90% white Europeans. It should be official policy to have this as a stated target.




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Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders are not White. Next time, just say people of White European ethnic descent.
Original post by Blinka
Racial quotas on immigration, drive up the quality of the ethic indigenous population by giving a subsidy for them to have children and live good working lifestyles as opposed to benefits, end all diversity / equality / affirmative action schemes, review all immigration and marriages from last 30 years and reverse all of the fraud. Stop the fact that one in 5 marriages in London are sham marriages. Deport all illegals immigrants. Start training courses to change the attitudes of teachers, civil servants and journalists.


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What's wrong with their attitudes?


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Any quotas based on an arbitrary property, whether it be racial or gender or sexuality or whatever, are just generally bad. What it can easily lead to is rejecting a person who would be best for a job just because they do not fit into an arbitrary group.

The example I like to use is suppose you have two groups, A and B, which each make up about 50% of the population and so the quota has the top jobs (although obviously not the bottom jobs because that wouldn't be equality, apparently) needing to split 50:50. Now, you have 20 vacancies, there are 20 applicants from group A and 10 from group B. Those 10 from group B are no where near as good as even the worst applicant from group A, however because of the quota they must all be employed.

It leads to a decline in the meritocracy and creates a sub optimal workforce (where the quotas exist).

You also run into a problem where suppose there are 100 vacancies nation wide, only, say, 20 people from group A are qualified for that job. What do you do then? Does the quota allow for it to be ignored here? Suppose more from group A became eligible, does that mean that people from B would need to be laid off to let the new people from A in until the quota is satisfied?
Original post by Jammy Duel
Any quotas based on an arbitrary property, whether it be racial or gender or sexuality or whatever, are just generally bad. What it can easily lead to is rejecting a person who would be best for a job just because they do not fit into an arbitrary group.

The example I like to use is suppose you have two groups, A and B, which each make up about 50% of the population and so the quota has the top jobs (although obviously not the bottom jobs because that wouldn't be equality, apparently) needing to split 50:50. Now, you have 20 vacancies, there are 20 applicants from group A and 10 from group B. Those 10 from group B are no where near as good as even the worst applicant from group A, however because of the quota they must all be employed.

It leads to a decline in the meritocracy and creates a sub optimal workforce (where the quotas exist).

You also run into a problem where suppose there are 100 vacancies nation wide, only, say, 20 people from group A are qualified for that job. What do you do then? Does the quota allow for it to be ignored here? Suppose more from group A became eligible, does that mean that people from B would need to be laid off to let the new people from A in until the quota is satisfied?


In these circumstances, quotas cannot be allowed. But what about in circumstances when female and ethnic minority applicants are just as good or even better than male ethnic majority applicants but the interviewer is prejudiced and decides to take in the male ethnic majority applicants rather than the female and/or ethnic minority applicants. In these circumstances racial and gender quotas must be enforced. However, these quotas need to be representative of the general population. So, if females are 80%, then the quotas need to be 80%, but if they're 30%, then the quotas need to be 30%. Same thing with ethnic minorities. On the other hand, as females are getting better than males in skills and ethnic minorities are improving in their skills, there may not be any need for these quotas anymore.
Original post by asmuse123
In these circumstances, quotas cannot be allowed. But what about in circumstances when female and ethnic minority applicants are just as good or even better than male ethnic majority applicants but the interviewer is prejudiced and decides to take in the male ethnic majority applicants rather than the female and/or ethnic minority applicants. In these circumstances racial and gender quotas must be enforced. However, these quotas need to be representative of the general population. So, if females are 80%, then the quotas need to be 80%, but if they're 30%, then the quotas need to be 30%. Same thing with ethnic minorities. On the other hand, as females are getting better than males in skills and ethnic minorities are improving in their skills, there may not be any need for these quotas anymore.

The need for quotas in these circumstances imply that the current laws are failing, unless they're failing due to lack of evidence then quotas aren't needed, the system just needs fixing.

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