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Feminism hasn't gone far enough
I don understand what's happening
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Going to completely ignore the gif and answer the question...
For the most part, no.
However there are some radical feminists out there who are ridiculous and I find are more woman>men rather than woman=men. Unfortunately these people are what everyone hears about and is then like "ooohhhh stupid feminazi's omggg", which is a shame given that that's how many feminists are perceived, whereas almost every feminist person I know is very much equality, rather than the more "radical" side of things.
But generally no it hasn't gone too far. And imo that goes for both males and females.
For the most part, no.
However there are some radical feminists out there who are ridiculous and I find are more woman>men rather than woman=men. Unfortunately these people are what everyone hears about and is then like "ooohhhh stupid feminazi's omggg", which is a shame given that that's how many feminists are perceived, whereas almost every feminist person I know is very much equality, rather than the more "radical" side of things.
But generally no it hasn't gone too far. And imo that goes for both males and females.
To be a feminist you have to accept propositions that are simply false, such as the wage gap, "rape culture" etc. When an ideology forces false beliefs on a nation, it has gone too far.
There are way too many hardcore and/or false 'feminists' who give the feminism a very negative image, in fact they tarnish the true meaning of the movement. They over-exaggerate, they will find any "inequality" and blow it out to massive proportions. I cannot stand such ppl, feminism is about EQUALITY, women = men, not women > men. Some women want to be independent but some will want to be a house wife and as long as it is a personal free choice then FINE. I have seen so many ugly cases where women have used feminism to bend the rules to their benefits, that is just disgusting and this is often in western countries where women are free. Because of that less people are in favour of feminism where it is truly needed.
I'm a feminist but more balanced one, I'm more about full equality. The same can be applied to men too, there is still this taboo about the stay at home dads, hell, if man wants to be a house wife, fine as well. It should work both ways.
I'm a feminist but more balanced one, I'm more about full equality. The same can be applied to men too, there is still this taboo about the stay at home dads, hell, if man wants to be a house wife, fine as well. It should work both ways.
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Original post by KingStannis
That is not an argument. Attempts to provocatively patronise, without making any statements with actual content, does not constitute an argument. Try questioning other people's views when you are capable of making one.
I haven't even started to argue against your point. Clearly you haven't looked into the existence of rape culture in the slightest. Sexual assault, rape and violence are trivialised and made into jokes regularly, and you might see this as trivial but this contributes to the overall view of society. The objectification and dehumanisation of women leads to sexual violence and we're all conditioned to see things through the male gaze, meaning that victims are seen more as objects and not as people.
Yes, obviously. Men are not taken seriously in the workplace, are the vast majority of prostitutes, have no social or political power, and "you throw like a boy" is an insult. 
This is like saying has the war against racism gone too far. But then again there are probably some people who hold that view. The world is mad. Personally I don't really care about any of this, but if I were to employ an ounce of reason just for a second, the answer to the question in the title would be absolutely not! But then I don't really care.
Who really gives a damn. Sure, feminism is based on lies and myths, but it's not going anywhere, it has not been designed to ever stop. Probably been said millions of times but we need to stop making these threads, just get on with your life as a man, and let the others indulge in their liberal delusions. The history of humanity is the history of absurd belief, today is no different. Your life will be fine without paying attention.
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Original post by Skαteboαrder
This is like saying has the war against racism gone too far. But then again there are probably some people who hold that view. The world is mad. Personally I don't really care about any of this, but if I were to employ an ounce of reason just for a second, the answer to the question in the title would be absolutely not! But then I don't really care.
Racism is a serious issue but I must say that nowadays racism is often found where it is not present, people are way overusing word 'racist' and way too many use the racism card to their benefits which tarnish the true meaning of this very serious issue. The same can be applied to feminism as some vicious women will falsely use it to their benefits too.
Lately people are outraged by almost everything now...
Original post by court111111
I haven't even started to argue against your point. Clearly you haven't looked into the existence of rape culture in the slightest. Sexual assault, rape and violence are trivialised and made into jokes regularly,
Maybe jokes about boys and men being raped (prison jokes, Catholic priest jokes) however, rape jokes about women are very taboo.
And even if it were true, what reason is there to think that there is a causation between 1. the quantity of rape jokes made and 2. the amount of rapes that occur overall? Do you have evidence of this? The reasoning doesn't seem to follow for anything else. No one is suggesting that the huge amount of jokes involving other crimes contributes to a culture of the crimes, because that's absurd. I don't think we have a "culture" of child molestation (though, individual "cultures" definitely exist. However, feminists cannot comment on this because the victims aren't always females, and it is largely not white males doing it), but I wouldn't suggest the fact that Russel Howard makes male rape jokes on family TV times as a contributory factor in this occurring, because there is no evidence of causation, and the idea is not intuitive.
and you might see this as trivial but this contributes to the overall view of society.
The overall view of society is that rape is horrific.
The objectification and dehumanisation of women leads to sexual violence
Is objectification and dehumanization remotely prevalent? This is an extraordinary claim, and yet I don't see any, even ordinary, evidence for it. I don't think porn does either of those things. Unless you define objectification to be something trivial like "see in a sexual light without appreciating them as individuals" from which it follows that being attracted to anyone without personally knowing them is objectification. But if that's objectification, then i see nothing wrong with it, because how can basic human sexuality be wrong?? You need to demonstrate that seeing naked women magically makes see women as objects. I don't see how anyone can literally see women as objects. I'm skeptical that anyone literally believes another person is an object, without a mind. I mean, if I watch porn it therefore follows that "I don't believe women have consciousness of minds of any kind" is a ridiculous argument to make.
[QUOTE]and we're all conditioned to see things through the male gaze, meaning that victims are seen more as objects and not as people./QUOTE]
Does this even have a meaning? I take it "male gaze" means "the way men view women"? Men view women as they are: people, some of whom are attractive, some of whom aren't. As a man, I can tell you with authority that there's nothing more to how I and other men view women. We don't have special lenses which make us think "muhahaha!!! YOU ARE ALL OBJECTS THERE FOR MY SEXUAL PLEASURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". We're just normal, sane individuals. honest.
feminism today revolves around the misandrist concept of patriarchy (in a 2015 context)
it's also sexist against women in that it portrays them as weak, pathetic victims that can't live normal lives
it's also sexist against women in that it portrays them as weak, pathetic victims that can't live normal lives
Original post by court111111
I haven't even started to argue against your point. Clearly you haven't looked into the existence of rape culture in the slightest. Sexual assault, rape and violence are trivialised and made into jokes regularly, and you might see this as trivial but this contributes to the overall view of society. The objectification and dehumanisation of women leads to sexual violence and we're all conditioned to see things through the male gaze, meaning that victims are seen more as objects and not as people.
Typical feminist spewl.
There is no rape culture. Women are not "objectified" or "dehumanised" more than men. Just because men like looking at women does not mean we see them the same as an object e.g a table.
Original post by Abstraction
Who really gives a damn. Sure, feminism is based on lies and myths, but it's not going anywhere, it has not been designed to ever stop. Probably been said millions of times but we need to stop making these threads, just get on with your life as a man, and let the others indulge in their liberal delusions. The history of humanity is the history of absurd belief, today is no different. Your life will be fine without paying attention.
That's what they want, everyone to ignore them so they can carry on bending laws and and society to their will. The only way to beat it is to be more vocal about common sense.
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It's alright, but the full potato feminists get put in the spotlight and make things worse.
The most cringe is seeing girls on my Facebook feed sharing and agreeing some idiot's Tumblr post. And usually it's an attack on other girls for not representing feminism properly, relative to the extremists
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The most cringe is seeing girls on my Facebook feed sharing and agreeing some idiot's Tumblr post. And usually it's an attack on other girls for not representing feminism properly, relative to the extremists
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I think some people take it too far. This would be less of a problem if it were easier to discuss the issue like grown-ups without being branded sexist.
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