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Should we introduce a gender tax?

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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
socialist feminists have been around since like forever.


Far more dominant today though.

Probably also why there's a larger anti-feminist counter culture on the internet too.
Original post by jenkinsear
You're terribly ignorant.

Take City law as an example- about 60% of trainee solicitors are now female. City law is highly respected and very highly paying, and each generation is seeing increasing numbers of female solicitors. Doesn't seem like those thousands of women are dismissing those jobs at all...


You are ignorant if you think a trainee solicitor is a prestigious job. Even though 60% of trainee solicitors are female, the large majority of prestigious high paying law jobs are in the hands of men.

The same is true in the field of medicine. A huge number of lower ranked doctors are females, yet a disproportionate number of men are securing the training positions for the most sought after specialties such as surgery.
Original post by Doctor_Einstein
I believe that we should introduce an extra tax for men, in order to reduce the current income inequalities between men and women.

The extra tax will be put towards activities which promote economic gender equality and can be used to fund tax reductions for women.

Furthermore, reduced taxes for women will mean that women will be cheaper to employ in the workforce, since they can be offered a lower gross salary for the same take home pay after tax as a male. This will increase the number of women hired in high paying jobs.


Women are on average paid different to men on average because, on average, men and women have different jobs. You basically want reduce tax for women even if they earn more than men? Remember it's men at the bottom, most homeless are men, but you want to make people's lives harder because of the way they're born?

There is no gender pay gap.

This is stupid.
Original post by Doctor_Einstein
You are ignorant if you think a trainee solicitor is a prestigious job. Even though 60% of trainee solicitors are female, the large majority of prestigious high paying law jobs are in the hands of men.

The same is true in the field of medicine. A huge number of lower ranked doctors are females, yet a disproportionate number of men are securing the training positions for the most sought after specialties such as surgery.

Hahahaha sorry, trainee solicitor at a City law firm isn't prestigious? Think you need a good bash on the head.

The fact is those trainees will be the next wave of qualified solicitors. Given a newly qualified solicitor at these firms earns £60,000-100,000 (which then continues increasing) I challenge the claim that the "large majority of prestigious high paying law jobs are in the hands of men". The very highest paying jobs (partner level) are male dominated, but that is reflective of the fact that in the 1980's women made up a small percentage of the trainee numbers which remains reflected. The women who now make up the majority of junior and middle ranking lawyers will continue rising up. Give it 20 years and I think there will be little difference between the number of men/women who are partners at the top firms.

The same issue above applies to medicine. Historically less women, reflected higher up the career ladder and made worse by the fact some women opt to focus on family life. They make that choice.
Original post by Snagprophet
Women are on average paid different to men on average because, on average, men and women have different jobs. You basically want reduce tax for women even if they earn more than men? Remember it's men at the bottom, most homeless are men, but you want to make people's lives harder because of the way they're born?

There is no gender pay gap.

This is stupid.


The life of women is already harder simply because they were born as women. My proposal is just going to even things out.

Of course homeless people won't have increased taxes. The tax isn't designed to punish, but to level the playing field and will thus of course target higher earners more so than lower earners.
Original post by jenkinsear
Hahahaha sorry, trainee solicitor at a City law firm isn't prestigious? Think you need a good bash on the head.

The fact is those trainees will be the next wave of qualified solicitors. Given a newly qualified solicitor at these firms earns £60,000-100,000 (which then continues increasing) I challenge the claim that the "large majority of prestigious high paying law jobs are in the hands of men". The very highest paying jobs (partner level) are male dominated, but that is reflective of the fact that in the 1980's women made up a small percentage of the trainee numbers which remains reflected. The women who now make up the majority of junior and middle ranking lawyers will continue rising up. Give it 20 years and I think there will be little difference between the number of men/women who are partners at the top firms.

The same issue above applies to medicine. Historically less women, reflected higher up the career ladder and made worse by the fact some women opt to focus on family life. They make that choice.


Unfortunately many of the prestigious medical specialties are boy's clubs (as pointed out in my earlier link), and entry to the specialty is strictly governed by current members, who prefer to maintain the club. My female friend once asked a surgeon about the prospects of a female entering the profession, and he said it wasn't too good unless she is a superstar surgeon or super good looking.

So even though there are many females in entry level medical and legal jobs, this doesn't mean they will be able to penetrate the prestigious boy's clubs in the future.
Original post by Doctor_Einstein
The life of women is already harder simply because they were born as women. My proposal is just going to even things out.

Of course homeless people won't have increased taxes. The tax isn't designed to punish, but to level the playing field and will thus of course target higher earners more so than lower earners.


Load of nonsense.

So you are going to increase taxes for lower paid men, because they are men, and reduce it for higher paid woemn, because they are women?
Original post by Snagprophet
Load of nonsense.

So you are going to increase taxes for lower paid men, because they are men, and reduce it for higher paid woemn, because they are women?


All women will have a slight tax reduction (e.g. -3%) and all men earning over a certain threshold, say over 30k will have a slight tax increase (e.g. +2%).

Since men earn more than women, the small 2% increase for men will offset the 3% reduction for women, leading to a 5% difference between men and women who would otherwise be earning the same.

So clearly a poor man will still be paying less tax than a rich women. Just that a rich women will be paying less tax than an equally rich man.
Original post by Doctor_Einstein
I believe that we should introduce an extra tax for men, in order to reduce the current income inequalities between men and women.

The extra tax will be put towards activities which promote economic gender equality and can be used to fund tax reductions for women.

Furthermore, reduced taxes for women will mean that women will be cheaper to employ in the workforce, since they can be offered a lower gross salary for the same take home pay after tax as a male. This will increase the number of women hired in high paying jobs.

Ummmm, shouldn't you be encouraging women to also work in non-high paying jobs in ****ty conditions, like sewers or whatever? Isn't that what equality all about? Except, women and men are not equal, not in everything and the most obvious thing is that women can get pregnant while men can't. So stop with the delusion that they're equal. That said, I think in a lot of situations they are equal.
Original post by gagafacea1
Ummmm, shouldn't you be encouraging women to also work in non-high paying jobs in ****ty conditions, like sewers or whatever? Isn't that what equality all about? Except, women and men are not equal, not in everything and the most obvious thing is that women can get pregnant while men can't. So stop with the delusion that they're equal. That said, I think in a lot of situations they are equal.


Whether women are biologically equal to men or not is irrelevant. Women should still have the right to an equal standard of living as men.

Therefore tax may need to be treated differently between men and women to account for biological differences that may lead to standard of living inequalities.
Men and women earn the same, when put in the same job. There is no pay gap. This is completely pointless.
Original post by Snagprophet
Men and women earn the same, when put in the same job. There is no pay gap. This is completely pointless.


Maybe so, but the problem isn't that identical positions are paid differently, but rather the problem is that there aren't enough women in the high paying jobs because employers are (a) sexist or (b) fearful that a young women may have children.

So by making it cheaper to hire women (since a lower gross salary is needed for the same take home benefits if women get taxed less), more women will be hired for these high paying positions, decreasing the overall wage gap.
This is siiick, how is robbing people of their money going to help equality. :frown:
Original post by Doctor_Einstein
Maybe so, but the problem isn't that identical positions are paid differently, but rather the problem is that there aren't enough women in the high paying jobs because employers are (a) sexist or (b) fearful that a young women may have children.

So by making it cheaper to hire women (since a lower gross salary is needed for the same take home benefits if women get taxed less), more women will be hired for these high paying positions, decreasing the overall wage gap.


Your saying it as if the wage gap is down to the companies, its not

Its down to the preferences of women, like many people have already pointed out before
Original post by DanielBaranowski
Your saying it as if the wage gap is down to the companies, its not

Its down to the preferences of women, like many people have already pointed out before


And as I have already pointed out, preferences for not entering prestigious positions is often due to the sexist, boy's club culture surrounding these positions.
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Original post by Doctor_Einstein
And as I have already pointed out, preferences for not entering prestigious positions is often due to the sexist, boy's club culture surrounding these positions.


Even if that is true that got nothing to do with a perceived pay gap. It's like sticking a quota for men on jobs with more women in. How about you just let people choose the jobs they want, as it is now, and we can just get on with our lives?
Original post by Snagprophet
Even if that is true that got nothing to do with a perceived pay gap. It's like sticking a quota for men on jobs with more women in. How about you just let people choose the jobs they want, as it is now, and we can just get on with our lives?


Yes I'm certainly not advocating that the government determine who works where. I'm just providing an incentive for employers to hire workers in higher paying professions which currently have a lack of women. It is ultimately up to the women if they choose to take these jobs (and I bet you they will).
absolutely not.
Original post by Doctor_Einstein


So by making it cheaper to hire women (since a lower gross salary is needed for the same take home benefits if women get taxed less), more women will be hired for these high paying positions, decreasing the overall wage gap.


According to you, women are already cheaper to hire than men. 25% cheaper.
As a matter of interest why do you think at a time when companies are cutting to the bone just to stay afloat they haven't saved a massive 25% on their staff salaries by employing only women?
Try getting that through parliament

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