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Subservient Obama continues to bend over for Iran, but they chant "death to America"

Obama recently sent Iran happy new year messages.

This is Iran's response to his weak, subservient attempt in dealing with their nuke programme.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=39e_1427097955

Netanyahu knows this regime inside out. Israel understands these people far more than Europeans and Americans do. Israel understands their psyche.

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Reply 1
You are a born diplomat.
Original post by Maker
You are a born diplomat.


Hussein Obama's foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster.

He comes on all smiles thinking he's on the threshold of an "historic" deal with Iran and that rapprochement has been accomplished. Sends them new years greetings....

And they reply by telling him to f-off and chant "death to America"

What an absolute fool Obama looks. :biggrin:
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Reply 3
And the Israeli alternative to the negotiations is what.... The current negotiations are the best hope to solve the issue.

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Original post by Aj12
And the Israeli alternative to the negotiations is what.... The current negotiations are the best hope to solve the issue.

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The Israeli alternative was what was working before Obama ruined everything.

The sanctions were working better than anyone could have hoped. Dissent was starting to become widespread in Iran (which is rare there). Citizens, business people and even politicians were questioning the "wisdom of pursuing the nuclear programme"

The economy was about to collapse which is the exact time you come in for negotiations with the upper hand.

Instead, Hussein Obama decided to hand over a $7b bailout to Iran and lifted some sanctions with NOTHING in return.

Since then the Iranians have worn him like a sombrero.
Reply 5
Original post by LockheedSpooky
The Israeli alternative was what was working before Obama ruined everything.

The sanctions were working better than anyone could have hoped. Dissent was starting to become widespread in Iran (which is rare there). Citizens, business people and even politicians were questioning the "wisdom of pursuing the nuclear programme"

The economy was about to collapse which is the exact time you come in for negotiations with the upper hand.

Instead, Hussein Obama decided to hand over a $7b bailout to Iran and lifted some sanctions with NOTHING in return.

Since then the Iranians have worn him like a sombrero.


I very much doubt the collapse of the Iranian economy would have led to the outcome you think it would have. It was constantly shown that the Iranians valued their nuclear program immensely, it was tied into issues of national prestige. Even if dissent had spread and the economy collapsed there is no guarantee this would have led to more productive negotiations. Especially since unrest and collapsed economies tend to bring even more extreme governments in.



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Original post by LockheedSpooky
Hussein Obama's foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster.

He comes on all smiles thinking he's on the threshold of an "historic" deal with Iran and that rapprochement has been accomplished. Sends them new years greetings....

And they reply by telling him to f-off and chant "death to America"

What an absolute fool Obama looks. :biggrin:


Are you a Red Sea Pedeatrian?
Original post by Aj12
I very much doubt the collapse of the Iranian economy would have led to the outcome you think it would have. It was constantly shown that the Iranians valued their nuclear program immensely, it was tied into issues of national prestige. Even if dissent had spread and the economy collapsed there is no guarantee this would have led to more productive negotiations. Especially since unrest and collapsed economies tend to bring even more extreme governments in.



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Worked against the Soviets until recently, when Obama's weakness in office allowed the Ruskies to go all 'mafia' on Europe again.

An Oil rich Iran has managed to keep the restless natives from overthrowing the regime.

Look at the events of 2009. Although it was ultimately an unsuccessfully revolution because it was suppressed so brutally, it showed Iranians wanted change.

You sound like a bit of an apologist for Tehran.
Original post by LockheedSpooky
Worked against the Soviets until recently, when Obama's weakness in office allowed the Ruskies to go all 'mafia' on Europe again.

An Oil rich Iran has managed to keep the restless natives from overthrowing the regime.

Look at the events of 2009. Although it was ultimately an unsuccessfully revolution because it was suppressed so brutally, it showed Iranians wanted change.

You sound like a bit of an apologist for Tehran.

Russia had a war with georgia in 2008... Under George Bush's rule
Original post by Aj12
And the Israeli alternative to the negotiations is what.... The current negotiations are the best hope to solve the issue.

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war

republicans never gets bored of this
Original post by LockheedSpooky
Worked against the Soviets until recently, when Obama's weakness in office allowed the Ruskies to go all 'mafia' on Europe again.

An Oil rich Iran has managed to keep the restless natives from overthrowing the regime.

Look at the events of 2009. Although it was ultimately an unsuccessfully revolution because it was suppressed so brutally, it showed Iranians wanted change.

You sound like a bit of an apologist for Tehran.

Russia had a war with georgia in 2008... Under George Bush's rule

Original post by LockheedSpooky
Obama recently sent Iran happy new year messages.

This is Iran's response to his weak, subservient attempt in dealing with their nuke programme.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=39e_1427097955

Netanyahu knows this regime inside out. Israel understands these people far more than Europeans and Americans do. Israel understands their psyche.

Also what would you propose 'weak' obama do?
Start a war with Russia to prove he's not weak? Russia has more nukes than us and the second most powerful military in the world
Start a war with Iran to prove he's not weak? Because we need another war zone in the middle east where God knows what else will spring out of the chaos. A new ISIS perhaps
Reply 11
Original post by LockheedSpooky
Worked against the Soviets until recently, when Obama's weakness in office allowed the Ruskies to go all 'mafia' on Europe again.

An Oil rich Iran has managed to keep the restless natives from overthrowing the regime.

Look at the events of 2009. Although it was ultimately an unsuccessfully revolution because it was suppressed so brutally, it showed Iranians wanted change.

You sound like a bit of an apologist for Tehran.


And yet in its last years the West were the ones supporting the USSR financially and spending million to ensure Soviet Nukes and more importantly bioweapons did not fall into the wrong hands. The financial collapse of the USSR gave the West a massive security headache.

Obama is not the one to blame for Russia's actions in Ukraine, what exactly was he meant to do? Start dropping paratroopers into Kiev?

Yeah of course they want change and given the trends in Iran of a young population, parts of it moderate, that are very active on social media there are many encouraging signs. Causing the financial collapse of a nation won't help this movement. Sanctions certainly brought a moderate government to power in Iraq....

Your also assuming a new government won't want a nuclear program. It will and I have my doubt that Israel will tolerate any sort of nuclear program within the country.

Lol
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Original post by Aj12
And yet in its last years the West were the ones supporting the USSR financially and spending million to ensure Soviet Nukes and more importantly bioweapons did not fall into the wrong hands. The financial collapse of the USSR gave the West a massive security headache.


We should never have rescued the Soviets. They should have been made to crawl back up on their own. Perhaps that would have instilled some humility instead of paying them to rise back up and become Europe's mafia again.


Obama is not the one to blame for Russia's actions in Ukraine, what exactly was he meant to do? Start dropping paratroopers into Kiev?


The US could have been a lot more forceful a lot sooner. He dithered and still didn't come up with a policy.

So what was the point in promising Ukraine that we would defend them if they gave up nukes?

So is this LAUGHABLE policy going to be the same as what the Eurotrash offer Israel in return for a 'palestinian' state?

"Oh don't worry Israel....we'll protect you if the Arab hordes invade you in these indefensible borders we're pushing you into" :rolleyes:


Yeah of course they want change and given the trends in Iran of a young population, parts of it moderate, that are very active on social media there are many encouraging signs. Causing the financial collapse of a nation won't help this movement. Sanctions certainly brought a moderate government to power in Iraq....

Your also assuming a new government won't want a nuclear program. It will and I have my doubt that Israel will tolerate any sort of nuclear program within the country.

Lol


You obviously know very little about Iran and what was going on there due to sanctions. The regime was under tremendous pressure and for the first time in their history BEGGED, that's right, BEGGED for a financial bailout.

Instead of Obama saying..."well, we can certainly help your economy once you sign this document and hand over your nuclear weapon programme" - the tool decided to give into their demands with literally NOTHING in return.

Of course it's fine for left wing Eurotrash to wag their finger at Israel. "Oh those Israelis, always overreacting". Is it the UK that Iran has encircled with their proxy militia? is it the UK that has some 200,000 rockets aimed at it by the Iranian regime? is it the UK threatened with extermination?


Of course Iran won't be allowed to have the bomb. That's why Hussein Obama's disgusting policy of attempting to contain their weapons programme (which is essentially what these negotiations are about) has brought war a lot closer.
Original post by LockheedSpooky
We should never have rescued the Soviets. They should have been made to crawl back up on their own. Perhaps that would have instilled some humility instead of paying them to rise back up and become Europe's mafia again.



The US could have been a lot more forceful a lot sooner. He dithered and still didn't come up with a policy.

So what was the point in promising Ukraine that we would defend them if they gave up nukes?

So is this LAUGHABLE policy going to be the same as what the Eurotrash offer Israel in return for a 'palestinian' state?

"Oh don't worry Israel....we'll protect you if the Arab hordes invade you in these indefensible borders we're pushing you into" :rolleyes:



You obviously know very little about Iran and what was going on there due to sanctions. The regime was under tremendous pressure and for the first time in their history BEGGED, that's right, BEGGED for a financial bailout.

Instead of Obama saying..."well, we can certainly help your economy once you sign this document and hand over your nuclear weapon programme" - the tool decided to give into their demands with literally NOTHING in return.

Of course it's fine for left wing Eurotrash to wag their finger at Israel. "Oh those Israelis, always overreacting". Is it the UK that Iran has encircled with their proxy militia? is it the UK that has some 200,000 rockets aimed at it by the Iranian regime? is it the UK threatened with extermination?


Of course Iran won't be allowed to have the bomb. That's why Hussein Obama's disgusting policy of attempting to contain their weapons programme (which is essentially what these negotiations are about) has brought war a lot closer.


You have some, well shall we just say interesting opinions.

Have you ever been diagnosed with paranoia?
israel have enough nukes to level europe, if iran misbehaves, there is deterrence.
America is finished you pro-Americans love to use Obama as the scapegoat
Reply 16
Original post by LockheedSpooky
We should never have rescued the Soviets. They should have been made to crawl back up on their own. Perhaps that would have instilled some humility instead of paying them to rise back up and become Europe's mafia again.



The US could have been a lot more forceful a lot sooner. He dithered and still didn't come up with a policy.

So what was the point in promising Ukraine that we would defend them if they gave up nukes?

So is this LAUGHABLE policy going to be the same as what the Eurotrash offer Israel in return for a 'palestinian' state?

"Oh don't worry Israel....we'll protect you if the Arab hordes invade you in these indefensible borders we're pushing you into" :rolleyes:



You obviously know very little about Iran and what was going on there due to sanctions. The regime was under tremendous pressure and for the first time in their history BEGGED, that's right, BEGGED for a financial bailout.

Instead of Obama saying..."well, we can certainly help your economy once you sign this document and hand over your nuclear weapon programme" - the tool decided to give into their demands with literally NOTHING in return.

Of course it's fine for left wing Eurotrash to wag their finger at Israel. "Oh those Israelis, always overreacting". Is it the UK that Iran has encircled with their proxy militia? is it the UK that has some 200,000 rockets aimed at it by the Iranian regime? is it the UK threatened with extermination?


Of course Iran won't be allowed to have the bomb. That's why Hussein Obama's disgusting policy of attempting to contain their weapons programme (which is essentially what these negotiations are about) has brought war a lot closer.



But we did because failed states help no one. You think if the USSR had had an even more turbulent collapse there would no no strongman like Putin in power? And he should have done what? You cannot blame Obama for the Ukraine today, there is little he could have done. Ukraine matters to Putin, he would always be more willing to put in much more than the West.

You think the US would have the same attitude to Israel as it did to Ukraine? Really? Israel receives 3 billion dollars annually from the US. Israel has a huge lobby in the US and regularly receives US aid and diplomatic cover. Were Israel to ever face an existential threat you can bet the US would be right at its side. Comparing Israel to the situation in Ukraine is utterly laughable and I think you know it.

I'm not really sure why you have brought up the Palestinian issue, it has nothing to do with the Iranian nuclear negotiations

Negotiations work on the basis of just that negotiation, it is give and take not winner takes all.

Is there any need to keeping referring to Obama's second name, I don't see the relevance.

The idea of the negotiations is to push Iranian break out capacity back to a year minimum. Meaning if they suddenly decide they want a nuke it'll be a year before they are able to build one. Allowing the International Community time to act. You seem to want there to be no Iranian nuclear program, that is not feasible, nor will it happen.
Original post by LockheedSpooky
Worked against the Soviets until recently, when Obama's weakness in office allowed the Ruskies to go all 'mafia' on Europe again.

You sound like a bit of an apologist for Tehran.


I'm sorry but you really have jumped the shark. It's because of crap like this that even solid supporters of Israel are now finding them shrill and irritating.

Israel is forgetting, this is not a relationship of equals. We are the sugar daddy, they are the client state. If they want to keep testing our patience, maybe they can go ahead and see how going it alone works out
Many criticisms of President Obama can be made, but accusing him of weakness is the laughable, childish accusation of someone so far outside of the inside track on international relations and geopolitics that they don't know which way is up.

It was only under President Obama that the real War on Terror started, that we took care of bin Laden and started clipping Al-Qaeda bosses irrespective of where they were located (including Pakistan).

Your calling him Hussein Obama merely exposes you as a mindless ultra and the kind of shrill, irritating Israeli chickenhawk who is turning solid supporters like me into apathetic "don't cares"
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And yet in its last years the West were the ones supporting the USSR financially and spending million to ensure Soviet Nukes and more importantly bioweapons did not fall into the wrong hands. The financial collapse of the USSR gave the West a massive security headache.

Obama is not the one to blame for Russia's actions in Ukraine, what exactly was he meant to do? Start dropping paratroopers into Kiev?
Obama had a few options, the most powerful one being to increase funding for the missile shield and explicitly aim it at the Russian nuclear deterrent. This would have forced Russia to divert huge sums of money to producing more and harder to intercept nuclear delivery systems.

However the biggest problem with Obama's policy was that he dropped the shield in the first place and "reset" relations on the premise that all the problems with US-Russian relations were due to the US in general and the Bush administration in particular. Obama adopted a policy of accommodation that assumed Russia had no strategic interests of its own and this premise proved to be completely false.

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