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hi for part c of this question, why can the inverse function be expressed as x when it is root x+3 ?


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Original post by coconut64
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hi for part c of this question, why can the inverse function be expressed as x when it is root x+3 ?


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It can't, it's just that you know that the inverse of a function is gotten by reflecting that function in the line y = x, so if a function is ever equal to it's inverse, then they must intersect on the line y = x. So you can choose to solve f(x) = x or f^(-1)(x) = x instead since it'll give you the same answer.

You could of course do f(x) = f^(-1) (x) by substituting in and solving, but that's more work than realising they intersect on y=x and so you can just solve f(x) = x instead.
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Because the inverse is the reflection in y=x of the function (the dotted line on the diagram). Hence, the place that f^(-1)(x) and f(x) intersect is also the place that they intersect with the line f(x)=x.

This is the point of them saying that "this is easier than solving ..." because solving f(x) = x or f^(-1)(X)=x will return the same point.

Hope that's clear.
Original post by coconut64
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hi for part c of this question, why can the inverse function be expressed as x when it is root x+3 ?


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By definition of a function and it's inverse.

If the two values are equal then y = x as you can see from the graph with the line y=x. And remember that y = f(x)
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Thanks everyone , that's really helpful.
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Original post by nerak99
Because the inverse is the reflection in y=x of the function (the dotted line on the diagram). Hence, the place that f^(-1)(x) and f(x) intersect is also the place that they intersect with the line f(x)=x.

This is the point of them saying that "this is easier than solving ..." because solving f(x) = x or f^(-1)(X)=x will return the same point.

Hope that's clear.

How do you know if they intersect or not at y=x ? Thanks
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Original post by coconut64
How do you know if they intersect or not at y=x ? Thanks

That's a thing. The inverse of any function will be the reflection in y=x. Hence they have to intersect there. Its just like if you touch a mirror, your inverse (reflection) touches the mirror at the same place.


Here is a good discussion
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/387542/is-there-an-explanation-why-the-reflection-of-fx-through-y-x-is-its-invers
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Original post by nerak99
That's a thing. The inverse of any function will be the reflection in y=x. Hence they have to intersect there. Its just like if you touch a mirror, your inverse (reflection) touches the mirror at the same place.


Here is a good discussion
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/387542/is-there-an-explanation-why-the-reflection-of-fx-through-y-x-is-its-invers


are you saying that these two functions will also intersect? 1479906414110-1572100920.jpg why is the right answer this then ? if u are saying that the two lines will eventually intersect why isn't the answer to the right correct ?

Thanks a lot
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Here is a plot of f(x)=2x+7 and its inverse which is f^(-1)(x)=(x-7)/2. Also f(x)=x to show the intersection. I think the sketch you have done needs to be done using a ruler. Rulers are rare in Maths classrooms but available in many good shops. Also, you could use fooplot.com which is what I did
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Original post by coconut64
How do you know if they intersect or not at y=x ? Thanks


1. You know that to find f1(x)f^{-1}(x) from f(x)f(x), you reflect f(x)f(x) in y=xy=x

2. By definition of a reflection, this means that a point (b,a)(b,a) given by b=f1(a)b=f^{-1}(a) is the same perpendicular distance ll from y=xy=x as the point (a,b)(a,b) given by a=f(b)a=f(b) - draw a picture to make this clear if it isn't.

So the distance from (a,b)(a,b) to (b,a)(b,a) = 2l2l

3. If the function and its inverse intersect somewhere, then the distance between the appropriate points on their graphs = 0. But that means for those points that 2l=0l=02l = 0 \Rightarrow l=0, which means the distance between their point of intersection and the line y=xy=x is also 0. So their point of intersection lies on y=xy=x
Original post by coconut64
How do you know if they intersect or not at y=x ? Thanks


A snappier but less geometric demonstration is thus:

Suppose P(a,b)P(a,b) is the intersection of f,f1f, f^{-1}.

Then so is the point P(b,a)P'(b,a), since f:abf1:baf : a \mapsto b \Rightarrow f^{-1}: b \mapsto a by definition of the inverse. So P=P(a,b)=(b,a)a=bP=P' \Rightarrow (a,b)=(b,a) \Rightarrow a=b.

So we have P(a,a)=P(a,a)P(a,a)=P'(a,a) is the point of intersection, and therefore P,PP,P' lie on y=xy=x
Original post by atsruser
A snappier but less geometric demonstration is thus:

Suppose P(a,b)P(a,b) is the intersection of f,f1f, f^{-1}.

Then so is the point P(b,a)P'(b,a), since f:abf1:baf : a \mapsto b \Rightarrow f^{-1}: b \mapsto a by definition of the inverse. So P=P(a,b)=(b,a)a=bP=P' \Rightarrow (a,b)=(b,a) \Rightarrow a=b.

So we have P(a,a)=P(a,a)P(a,a)=P'(a,a) is the point of intersection, and therefore P,PP,P' lie on y=xy=x
Very snappy.

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