Just some thoughts about pride in your identity

I am walking through the logical stages of your argument you've made below where you say "you don't think it's a problem..." .

If you think I've missrepresented your views then please clarify where or how I've done so.

Your last two sentences are very odd. You said (emphasis added)


I think it's clear you are strongly suggesting a negative impact here.

You seem to be quite evasise on this issue suddenly...

You seem to be nit picking. I can't be bothered to argue the toss over semantics. All I am saying is that I believe that racism is still sadly rife in large parts of our society including and police and judiciary and as we have just seen this week, top flight cricket. That is all. Feel free to disagree but if you do we will have to agree to disagree.

Do you know what has been know for example happen to a Sikh woman if she date a Pakistan Muslim man it very least her family would disown her get her married off or worst.

Or what people Nigerian descent say about people of west Indian descent and violent in London between the groups. They much rather have a white British person as a family member and not uncommon for them disown a family member for marrying a west Indian

If you want to bring some non-white examples, I think it fair to say that Priti Patel, the Home Secretary is a pretty vile piece of work.

Lol why?

I only feel 'proud' of my identity in the sense that I am not ashamed of who I am. Given that history has been very antagonistic towards people like myself, I feel like this pride is valid. Plus there are lots of people out there who think I should be ashamed of who I am, though thankfully their opinions are on the decline.

Aside from that, I would say I am only proud of things I have accomplished.

aren't you gonna talk about the kashmiri pandits? or that doesn't fit your agenda right?

I’ve always felt the same way to be honest. Pride should be reserved for actual achievements. It’s a good thing to be proud of things you’ve done in life, or proud of other people for their achievements.

A persons colour, sexuality and what not are pre-determined and require absolutely no effort, choice or decision making whatsoever on the part of the individual to become that way so what on Earth is there to be proud about?

to the OP if you've never been taught to be ashamed of something you can't change and has historically been discrimated against ofc being proud of your race, sexuality, gender, nationality, etc will be a non-issue, which i think you have acknowledged. that isn't everyone's story tho, especially older generations who perhaps had to live thro things you haven't experienced. personally have no problem with anyone saying they're proud of the aforementioned. sometimes it takes a lot of courage for even a young man to say he's attracted to other men or to admit to society you're trans when you know defo you will get backlash.

Being 'proud' means you are not ashamed of who you are. This makes sense in the context of a history, since LGBT people were heavily demonised in the past.

If you only have shame and pride, then you've created no in-between. I'm not ashamed of being white, but I'm not proud of being white either. If I was black, asian, or gay, I wouldn't feel any differently because I didn't choose this.

It doesn't have to be only shame or pride...?

Well, you just defined pride as the absense of shame. You can have an absense of shame without being proud.